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Old 11-03-2010, 10:06 PM
MagicDragon MagicDragon is offline
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Default Please help to find low cost Online Doctoral Degree as Aspen University?

I am looking for alternative choice apart from Aspen University Doctoral Degree that

1. Similar or Low cost of tuition as Aspen U.
2. Has a fast track or any not "hard" to complete.
3. Accredited by any country, but should not be listed as a Diploma Mill.
4. Online/ English instruction.
5. Doctoral in any Disciplinary. DBA, Ph.D, Ed.D ...etc..

Anyone has any idea? I have Msc.in Management from a well regcognised university in my country. I am the owner of middle size Jewelry Factory and dont need to use that degree for job application. But recently, I am a guest lecturer in some University and they like my teaching and if I conntinue teaching for at least 3 years, they promise to give Ph.D honorary ( which I can not use Dr.anyway). So, I think it will be good for future to have title Dr. before my name. I just need Title with little work on it. ( Too tired .. and too old to heavily do a research work again).

I dont like Diploma mill one,and willing to work a little on it.
Please advise. Or send PM message.

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:47 PM
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I don't know of a (properly chartered or accredited) university in ANY country that will admit to conferring a Doctorate -or for that matter, a lesser degree - on someone who was just "willing to work a little."

Well, maybe there are a VERY few exceptions, like children of rich and connected Americans who attain the proverbial "Gentleman's C" at prestigious Ivy League schools...but I'm assuming you don't have this level of family wealth and connections.

Doctorates with little work? That's what the degree mills are for. You won't earn one from Aspen that way - it's a GOOD school!

If you don't want to do proper work, why should we help you commit fraud?

There is one country - a major world player - where those high in the food chain will sell you a degree - at any level - from their top-notch universities. You pay perhaps $7500 or $10,000 and you get your (genuine) diploma. Your name and details are inserted (by employees trained to be crooked) into the famous school's records. Presto - you're listed, just like any other graduate! The school is happy - they've got desperately needed hard currency. They won't squawk and spoil the gravy train. You have no (or very few) worries that your deceit will come unraveled from that end! However, it could go badly on your own home turf, when some REAL academic's "radar" goes off and he/she detects you as a fake, because your knowledge doesn't match your credentials. There's really no getting around that, no matter how nice your diploma looks!

I'm not about to tell you any "how-to" details - because I believe it's wrong.

I've read that there's at least one other (European) country where the same thing can be done - except that it's done at fewer Universities and the cost is enormous - much more than a legitimate degree. Maybe $100,000. Maybe more. Maybe less, if you can persuade the head-of-state to make a phone call or two for you!

I know of other fraud-artists overseas who have obtained doctorates with very little effort, for maybe $9,000 or so from certain unaccredited US schools. I don't believe that a school is "bad" simply because it is unaccredited, but those particular uh.."schools" involved were unvarnished degree mills, as I see it. These bastions of chicanery had (and continue to have) quite good-sounding names, impressive to some people far from the U.S. and (understandably) having comparatively little knowledge of U.S. academia.

At least two such bamboozlers with pretend-degrees from these pretend-schools I have encountered are teaching in universities in their own countries. One of these lightweights spoke to me of his good luck with his "easy" doctorate, saying "here, they think it's just like one from Harvard."

Time bombs....Ka-boom!

Johann

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Old 11-04-2010, 03:07 AM
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My question is based on the followings and I come in peace.
1. Each University has different standard of measurement even all pretrend the same.
2. Degree is to show that we are "potential" capability one to an employer to get a career advancement or new jobs. For successful business people, it's an impression to his partner and for someone it's a self satisfaction.
3. The higher cost or harder admission dose not mean higher standard for University. Otherwise, we should only go to harvard only and one who graduated from other universities should be counted or credited their degree as 25%, 50% or 85% of degree.
4.The first man who award the degree is not degree graduated.

I just looking for a University which can meet my requirement, and I give the budget to be as Aspen University's. So, anyone know Aspen's competitor please advise, if not, I appreciate your positive attitude.

According to my conversation to some "accredited" online university in the US. They way they take examination for oversea student is asking us to go to library or local institution and take examination there without supervision and for the entired program it will take only 2 examinations. This kind of standard will not be accepted in most of the University I know in my country ( including the online one), but those University are "accredited" in the US anyway.

For Aspen, I think Aspen is a good choice for budget and other thing, but I'd like to have a comparison with her competitors in the same budget. If any?
The point is Aspen need at least 2 years by it's policy to finish the degree, I am looking for a faster one, according to the staff, you will not allow to finish faster than 2 years, no matter how good you are.

If the criteria of graduation from each University are so varies. So, it should be some other university that meet my criteria.

This is not fraud, be positive to the world then it's a better place to live.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:21 AM
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Most schools admit the possibility of an early completion (ex 4 years doctorate could be completed in 3 or 2 years ), but ALL stipulate a minimum duration; in other words, a minimum amount you are liable to pay in tuition fees.
In spite of shortcuts being officially allowed, faculty most often try to make sure you stay enrolled for no shorter time than the full duration (ex 4 years).

No accredited doctorate is that easy. None.

www.hmu.edu DETC accredited, $18.000

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However, it could go badly on your own home turf, when some REAL academic's "radar" goes off and he/she detects you as a fake, because your knowledge doesn't match your credentials.
Real academics are often idiots who spent time in college partying, doing drugs, marching against inequalities and endearing themselves to the right people by writing politically tainted hogwash and by being deferential towards the system competing for grants and subsidies. Any 17yo 'smart' left-wing hobo can say the same things, but taking up much less space. Often, even the politically tainted hogwash they write is not even theirs (see the Harvard plagiarism scandal), but borrowed from junior assistants who in turn plagiarized others.

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Here is today's standard academic...

PS: In case you haven't noticed, it's a fake...what you read is clutter jumbled together by a PC program...but reads so real, eh?
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:18 AM
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However, it could go badly on your own home turf, when some REAL academic's "radar" goes off and he/she detects you as a fake, because your knowledge doesn't match your credentials.
Real academics are often idiots who spent time in college partying, doing drugs, marching against inequalities and endearing themselves to the right people by writing politically tainted hogwash and by being deferential towards the system competing for grants and subsidies. Any 17yo 'smart' left-wing hobo can say the same things, but taking up much less space. Often, even the politically tainted hogwash they write is not even theirs (see the Harvard plagiarism scandal), but borrowed from junior assistants who in turn plagiarized others.
Do have anyone in particular in mind?
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:51 PM
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Do have anyone in particular in mind?
Me?
Nooo! How could I?
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
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Hi

From the Aspen page at http://info.aspen.edu/index.php?opti...cies&Itemid=12

Total Ed.D tuition at the prepay rate is $6,000 plus internship and dissertation costs of $1,800.

Magic Dragon specifically asked about Aspen's "competitors" - meaning, I assume, DETC or otherwise-accredited distance schools. He specified further that he wanted to know about those with Doctoral tuition fees similar to Aspen's.

Answer - NONE. None even close! HMU (great school) cited by Ham charges $18,000. Very reasonable for an accredited school and well worth it, so I've heard people say, but a far cry from $7,800. Where I live, you could buy a new compact car (Hyundai Accent) with the difference.

I know of no "easy" or "quickie" doctorates at either school, either. I believe ShotoJuku, our esteemed Senior Moderator, has recently begun Doctoral studies at Aspen. I'm sure he can tell us it's serious business - no frolic in the park! I have read accounts from Doctoral candidates at HMU as well. They speak well of the school and the rigor of their programs. Neither easy nor quick! At either school, you may, in some cases, end up doing a Doctoral Project instead of a traditional dissertation, but it's going to be a major piece of study and writing at the very least - not an easy ride.

The only other semi-practical place (with distance schools) I know of where Doctoral fees like Aspen's apply is South Africa. You can expect to pay $2000 -$2300 a year. At some schools (e.g. UNISA) it is permissible (but highly unlikely) to graduate in 2 years - never less. Permissible, yes - but it will be made impossible. Count on at least 3 and likely 4 years. That's 3 or 4 years of HARD work, including a dissertation and defense. (Defense by tele-conference for some schools, trip to S.A. for others.)

IGNOU (India) posts VERY low fees but charges outsiders FAR more than posted - if they can successfully enroll and complete their program. I've never heard from any Westerner who completed a degree from www.ignou.ac.in. Can't even remember any who successfully enrolled! I think IGNOU turned off their e-mail five years ago!

After reading the lines - and between them as far as possible, I still think all that can be found at the stated price and level of work amounts to a vanity, "Call-me-Doctor" degree. As far as I know, they're only available by

(a) Dealing with resident crooks at some otherwise-legit schools in certain overseas countries
(b) In the U.S., having connections and paying for new school buildings -or a new football stadium.
(c) Dealing with "vanity" schools

Johann

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Old 11-05-2010, 07:59 AM
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The only other semi-practical place (with distance schools) I know of where Doctoral fees like Aspen's apply is South Africa. You can expect to pay $2000 -$2300 a year. At some schools (e.g. UNISA) it is permissible (but highly unlikely) to graduate in 2 years - never less. Permissible, yes - but it will be made impossible. Count on at least 3 and likely 4 years. That's 3 or 4 years of HARD work, including a dissertation and defense. (Defense by tele-conference for some schools, trip to S.A. for others.)
The major problem I found with UNISA is their unresponsiveness. HMU -for example- sat at the extreme opposite of the spectrum. Irrespective of how low tuition fees may be, I advise to consider you do NOT want to have to wrestle every time with broken switchboards, clogged email inboxes, mister-out-of-town or some other item while you are supposed to get a degree going.

If being called doctor is all that matters, spare the hassle of going through studies you won't like to start with and head for some honorary doctorate bestowed by some low profile degree mill...after all, it's legal.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:41 PM
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Thank you Johann for read and identify my needs.

Yes, I want "Call me Doctor" for satisfaction only. I have a lot of school made get a Dr. from many of top class university from US or around the world, I dont think it's a lot of think inside except the research on their topics, it's an academic in thier career and it's fancy to impress people. I know how hard "paper" work they have gone through and how hard they have to satisty "personal" emotion of some professor who will judge them to pass ( That's why I like an ONLINE way).

I personally satisfy with my success, I have over 2,000 staffs working for me in my Jewelry Factory and my own private Sattlelite TV Station, a special guest lecturer in few university and teach up to Master Degree level already with invitation from University. I write a some of business books, being a guest in TV program when the topics concerning about business strategies for SMEs. My sales turnover per month might be equal or similar to my Ph.D holder friend work for 10-20 years.

I believe, my qualification is more than enough to make me happy and qualify or know about business as much as my Ph.D or DBA friend who teach business but dont know how to do it. But as Johann mentioned directly ( and I dont think it's ashame to be that streight forward like that), I just looking for "Call me Doctor" degree where I can make an impression to friends and colleaques/ my student from whatever class of University ( except diploma mills). The University I teach has offer me a Ph.D ( honorary) next year. But recieving that is for regconition only, I still can not be a doctor anyway. hahaha. Trust me, there is some information that's not publish in the University website, like last week, I have been accepted for Ph.D student in one of TOP UK University with special way with some deal, I will get the Ph.D degree in 1.5 years if I have to Donate "XXX,XXX" amount of money to the University directly. I found it's too much and for the my funny degree, it's too expensive.

I prefer to work some ! that's why I said I am willing to work some or little. One of my staff volunteer to do all the thesis, desertation, and homework if I want to complete the Ph.D naturally by ONLINE University ( of course I will need to pay him and read abit before going to comprehensive exam). Again, it's too easy and not a pride in my degree. It's the reason I want to do my work by my self but it's not be too hard or too much cost as I dont want to invest time and money for that too much. As I said, the ROI for my Doctoral degree will not that high. I will not need it to convert into money.

If there is no such University, I might go to Capella, Phoenix or Aspen. I wich my life will not be too hard at this age of 43.

Thanks anyway for all the comments and answers, I will still seaching..

Any other idea of the university who can be a competitor of Aspen?
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:48 PM
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I found one University in Thailand, English curriculum, government and alot of institute accredited, over 150 years of establishment, has been ranked top 20of Asia Private U, brick and mortar base, good reputation and nice building now offer online course. They Ph.D in eLearning Methodology is 100% online base on research only just opened last year.Accourding to their website http://www.elearning.au.edu/ their cost is 16,000 USD I think it might be OK for you. But I dont know how hard to pass their thesis commitee and you may need to go to Thailand at the final comprehensive examination. May be Johann can give some comment about this University.
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