Paramount University of Technology

[cheer37]

Anyone familiar with Paramount University of Technology? Here is the website: http://university.paramount.edu

Is it true that PUT will be closed down by Wyoming Education Dept since their application for DETC accreditation has been rejected?

[Kyle]

Looks fake ... another diploma mill

[johann]

Unaccredited schools in Wyoming won't be dead -- just homeless. The new law says they have to get accredited IF they want to stay in Wyoming. Nobody's gonna "close them down" with any permanence. Worst-case scenario, someone helps them pack! That said, NOBODY should send this school a DIME! I base that remark partly on its "sins of omission."

As I expected, I notice on their web-page that P.U.T. IS NOT AT ALL FORTHCOMING ABOUT ITS TENUOUS POSITION IN WYOMING. They still advertise that they are a state-licensed private school - with no mention of any aspect of accreditation or that they face "state-level deportation" if it's not achieved - and accreditation indeed appears very unlikely.

On the whole, I expect unaccredited Wyoming schools will just get to MOVE! Where? If they stay in the US, my money's on Alabama, though I've seen a strange spate of bad ..uh "schools" in Missouri lately. I have no idea what, if anything, Missouri has done to deserve 'em.

If any of the "Wyoming unwanted" decide to move offshore, who knows? Seborga, the Seychelles, Liberia, Hutt River? The possibilities are endless....

Johann

[cheer37]

PUT agents in Vietnam convinced potential students by saying that they will get DETC accreditation soon!

[Ahmed]

Studies involved, lacks acceditation=mill?

[johann]

Hi

Cheer37, that's very disappointing news about agents in Vietnam hyping the possibility of DETC accreditation before-the-fact.

This is EXACTLY the kind of unscrupulous conduct that can tarnish the name of reputable American schools overseas. DETC itself discourages applicants from even mentioning that they are seeking accreditation in their advertising or other materials.

Among other reasons, DETC doesn't want schools to encourage what could turn out to be false hopes, as in this case. Accreditation is NEVER a sure thing. Sales tactics like these make me view Paramount as a VERY bad school -regardless of their curriculum.

Ahmed, your remark about "studies + no accreditation = mill?" intrigues me.

When I do the math, "studies + no accreditation = Breyer State!"

(By your own admission, you pursued studies there, took courses, and as we both know, they have no accreditation - none recognized, anyway!)

According to your logic (not mine) , Breyer State must be a "mill."

What say you? :-)

Johann

[cheer37]

If Paramount University of Technology closed-down in Wyoming, I guess they will move either to Seborga, Liberia, Hutt River or St Kitt?

High chance they will move to St Kitt as what their sister university did. When Southern Pacific University closed by Hawaii Government, they move offshore to St Kitt.

[Ahmed]

Hi All

Johann, I am not saying that Paramount Uni. is a mill or is not a mill, what I am trying to do there was open a debate on whethere place where there are studies involved are mills or not.

IMO if a place where vigorous studies are involved, irrespective if the place is accredited or not, would not be a mill.

As opposed to a place where degrees are issued to you by submitting a CV. That is a mill.

This would take us back to where we first started, "Accreditation" is it necessary?

So, in my opinion, I am not going to comment on whether Paramount is a mill or not a mill, that would be up to an individual to decide, but they must be given the facts on the school e.g. what they offer, fees, methods of tution, an accreditation of a school, etc. , and the final decision is left to the individual, and its their money, that is being spend wisely or not

After all, some people love mills. a some hate them (like Johann).

Thanks

[johann]

Hi Ahmed -

Sorry I mistook your meaning and no - I certainly wouldn't characterize Breyer State as a mill. No sir, not at all....

I think the most accepted definition of a "mill" is an ...er "school" that sells degrees -very little or no work involved. The type of school that demands NO work or gives you a "doctorate" for a 5-10 page thesis, or a bachelor's for a couple of book reports etc.

A school that requires a reasonable effort and won't let you graduate until that effort is successful is NOT a "mill," by the above definition. It MAY be unaccredited, it MAY/MAY NOT be substandard, but it is not a mill. It MAY even be crooked, imo, if it takes large sums from people for a degree of very limited value and tells them bald-faced lies about what it will do for them in the world. Yes, a school can be villainous, dishonest and worthless without being a mill.

OR IT CAN SOMETIMES BE GOOD, I'M TOLD. You yourself say you learned lots at Breyer State and Brian likes his learning experience at U. of Atlanta. OK, I have no reason to argue or say anything against your choice of schools - and you do the same for me, please...

Take credit, both of you, for finding a school that suits your needs and doing your work diligently. A lot of times, the student shapes his learning experience more than the school, by what he/she puts into it.

Summary -- I think ALL mills are bad. Unaccredited schools run the gamut - from mills to pretty good, although they generally all suffer, to SOME degree or other when it comes to utility (employment etc.) - with a few exceptions, like certain SCUPS degrees we've talked about in other threads.

And yes - I'll even say that SOME unaccredited schools are just "yet-to-be accredited" schools! (And if I knew which ones, I'd tell you!)

Cheers! :-)

Johann


Johann

[Ahmed]

HI

We all misunderstand, or interpret things differently, so dont feel bad. And I am glad to hear that you dont see Breyer State as a mill.

you correctly pointed out that any school, that confers degrees with no, or very little work is a MILL, which I would agree with, e.g. Almeda, Suffield, etc.

MILLS are very bad, as you correctly pointed out, take peoples hard earn cash, take them for rides, and gives them 8 wortless pieces of paper.

And I think Brian is very happy with his school of choice, maybe he has landed in a good paying job, thanks to his degree from U. of Atlanta.

Well, BSU degree has not landed me into any lucrative paying job, but it has certainly helped in running my business a bit differently, and other aspects to vast to mention, thus improving profits. And a lecturing post that pays good, not lucrative.

And, as you and I know all good schools starts off unaccredited.

[Brian]

HI

We all misunderstand, or interpret things differently, so dont feel bad. And I am glad to hear that you dont see Breyer State as a mill.

you correctly pointed out that any school, that confers degrees with no, or very little work is a MILL, which I would agree with, e.g. Almeda, Suffield, etc.

MILLS are very bad, as you correctly pointed out, take peoples hard earn cash, take them for rides, and gives them 8 wortless pieces of paper.

And I think Brian is very happy with his school of choice, maybe he has landed in a good paying job, thanks to his degree from U. of Atlanta.

Well, BSU degree has not landed me into any lucrative paying job, but it has certainly helped in running my business a bit differently, and other aspects to vast to mention, thus improving profits. And a lecturing post that pays good, not lucrative.

And, as you and I know all good schools starts off unaccredited.

Hi Ahmed,

I have not finished with my degree yet I have about 6 more classes, however I am very pleased with the level of learning that U of A has displayed. The exams are especially difficult. Harder than the RA schools that I have attended (could be because you have more lecture type or open discussion learning at traditional schools and pick up some info that way) however I found that their program is not easy. The papers that I turn in are completely graded and are thouroughly corrected from start to finish with helpful tips to improve. If they were to never get accredited I would be fine with that.:p

[johann]

Hi Brian and Ahmed --

As I said before, I'm glad you're both happy with your schools. From what you tell me, they've given you the learning experience you wanted ... To me, the student's effort is the most important factor in the learning outcome and it looks like you guys worked hard. Congratulations again.

Brian - I understand why you say you don't care whether or not the school ever gets accredited. You knew what would work best for YOU, and accred. wasn't an important part of the equation.

And Ahmed - as an extra benefit, I've no doubt your Doctorate, (along with your stellar personality) has helped impress all those women you date!

Cheers! :-)

Johann

[cheer37]

WYOMING DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS
http://www.k12.wy.us/F/psl/degree.html


REGISTERED PRIVATE DEGREE GRANTING POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS



Pursuant to the new legislation, as of July 1, 2006, the Wyoming Department of Education now requires annual registration of private degree granting post-secondary education institutions. One of the major criteria of becoming registered is that the school must either be accredited or be in the process of becoming accredited by an accrediting organization recognized by the United States Department of Education. See W.S. § 21-4-401 et seq. and the Wyoming Department of Education Emergency Rules and Regulations, Chapter 30 for a full discussion of the requirements.



The following schools have met the requirements of the new legislation and have a valid registration with the State through June 30, 2007:



American Central University- in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC



American City University- in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC



American Global University- in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC



College America- Accredited by ACCSCT



Columbia Commonwealth University- in the process of seeking accreditation from HLC



DeVry University- Accredited by HLC



Institute of Business and Medical Careers- Accredited by ACICS



Grand Canyon University- Accredited by HLC



Halifax University - in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC



Kennedy Western University (Warren National) - in the process of seeking accreditation from HLC



Lesley University- Accredited by NEAS&C



Park University- Accredited by HLC



Paramount University- in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC
NOTE: Accreditation has been rejected by DETC. PUT has not appear in the DETC latest list of Application for Accreditation. It seem PUT is not going to re-apply for DETC Accreditation. READY TO MOVE OUT OF WYOMING!


Preston University- in the process of seeking accreditation from DETC



The Art Institute of Colorado- Accredited by ACICS



University of Phoenix- Accredited by HLC



Wyoming Technical Institute- Accredited by ACCSCT





Accrediting organizations (All recognized by the US Department of Education)



ACCSCT- Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology



ACICS- Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools



DETC- Distance Education and Training Council



HLC- North Central Association of Colleges; the Higher Learning Commission



NEAS&C- New England Association of Schools and Colleges







PRIVATE DEGREE GRANTING POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS LICENSED PRIOR TO JULY 1, 2006



Wyo. Stat. § 21-2-402 addressed private degree granting post-secondary education institutions licensed prior to July 1, 2006 and required the Department of Education to establish criteria to provide for the transition of private degree granting post-secondary education institutions to registration requirements imposed under Wyo. Stat. § 21-2-401 et seq. The following private degree granting post-secondary education institutions licensed prior to July 1, 2006 may operate and issue diplomas pursuant to its license until it becomes registered pursuant to Wyo. Stat. § 21-2-402 or its license expires or its license is revoked pursuant to the requirements of the Wyoming Administrative Procedures Act:



Newport International University


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Applicants for Accreditation and Re-Accreditation for 2007
http://www.detc.org/theaccrediting.html

The following institutions have applied for DETC initial accreditation or five year re-accreditation.

First Time Applicants:

Accelerated Training Institute, Napa, CA
Aerobics and Fitness Association of America, Sherman Oaks, CA
American Center for Conflict Resolution, Euclid, OH
American Central University, Laramie, WY
American City University, Cheyenne, WY
American Fitness Professionals and Associates, Manahawkin, NJ
American Global University, Cheyenne, WY
Anaheim University, Anaheim, CA
Erudio College, Miami, FL
Fairmont International University (formerly Preston University), Cheyenne, WY
Florida Virtual University, Weston, FL
Halifax University, Casper, WY
Hindu University of America, Orlando, FL
Institute of Theology by Extension, Des Moines, IA
International Sports Sciences Association, Carpinteria, CA
Lion Investigation Academy, Bethlehem, PA
Pacific Western University, San Diego, CA
Perelandra College, LaMesa, CA
Real Estate Prepatory Schools, Inc., Sacramento, CA
Teacher Education University, Winter Park, FL
University of Philosophical Research, Los Angeles, CA
Vision International University, Ramona, CA
Yorktown University, Inc., Denver, CO

[Ahmed]

To Brian And Johann

I am glad that you have a great learning experience at AU, to me accreditation is important if it is for you, it is what you want in accreditation, I think I spelled it out quiet clearly in another thread.

Johann, yes the women are quiet impressed with my qualifications, none ever heard of Breyer State, here in South Africa thinks its one of those mighty Universities, like Harvard.
BaCK to the topic, I also had a great learning experience at Breyer State, there courses are very similiar to RA schools which I checked out, and much cheaper. I also dont care if its unaccredited, since I run my own business, I dont think I'll be using it to look for a job.

And the studies at BreyerState helped in my part-time lecturing job, which is great

Take care Guys

[johann]

Hi Ahmed -

Trust me. Your secret is safe. If your girlfriends don't know that Breyer State is any different from Harvard -- I won't be the one to tell 'em!

Cheers :-)

Johann

[Ahmed]

Thanks Johann, Hope to see you in 2010 for the World Cup

[cheer37]

Hi Ahmed,

By the time 2010, do you think Paramount University of Technology still exist? If ever exist, where will they be?

May be it will be move to virtual / cyber Country yet to be form.

[johann]

Hi -

My guess is either Hutt River (in Australia) or Seborga (In Italy). Failing these, a cyber-country yet to be formed, as you suggest. The name may change 37 times in the interim.

It will STILL be a BAD school!

Johann

[Ahmed]

Hi All

I think the cyber country is Iraq and Afganistan

[cheer37]

Hi All,

I think ultimately Paramount University of Technology will more to a virtual nation. It is something like http://www.virtualnation.ch/index.html where any individual can create their Virtual Country and create their own accreditation board, and to accredit their own degree programs.

And announce to the world that PUT is accredited by so and so.

It will be more safer than Iraq and Afganistan! Right?

[Ahmed]

you can even have a virtual relationship, with all that happens in an explicit relationship (**** perverts)

lol, I guess it will be safer than Iraq and Afganistan, but some people still would prefer Iraq over a virtual country

[Ahmed]

Is virtual nation a Muslim country?

Just wonder after seeing the ministers moslem names

[cheer37]

Hi Ahmed,

The virtual nation I refer is just a reference - http://www.virtualnation.ch/index.html. Anyone could create their own virtual nation.

In future all the fake / scam university don't have the trouble of going to doubtful place such as Seborga or Hutt River to seek their worthless accreditation. The cheaper and faster ways is to get their worthless accreditation is through virtual countries.

Either the owners of fake university create their own virtual country to accredited their own programs or seek a so-called Parliament of a virtual country to grant a chartered to establish their university. I guess we will see such reality.

[Ahmed]

Hi

Ok, I think I should become president of this vittual place, and Johann the minister of higher education

[Kyle]

Hi

Ok, I think I should become president of this vittual place, and Johann the minister of higher education

LOL, what other useless stuff will they think of next

[cheer37]

The owners of Paramount University of Technology will continue to find cheaper and more incredible way to convince as many naive people as possible to BUY their degree.

Accredited by Hutt River, Liberia and Seborga is not convincing and is a big joke. Therefore, a better option is "Parliament" or "Government" of a Virtual Nation will look convincing and attractive.

So, they can state in their website or brochure, "Paramount University of Technology is accredited by so and so Government".

PUT are doing hard to find a new home because they will be closing down by Wyoming soon as their application for accreditation has been rejected DETC.

How can DETC approved their application? In USA, they pretend to do all things right and engaged consultants to help them prepared their accreditation paper works hoping the DETC Officers will buy their idea. Thank to whilstleblower who show them all their dirty works done in other foreign land especially at the poor 3rd world countries.

[cheer37]

PARAMOUNT UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY CLOSING DOWN BY WYOMING DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION ON JUNE 30 2007?

(http://www.k12.wy.us/F/psl/degree.html)
[I]Pursuant to the new legislation, as of July 1, 2006, the Wyoming Department of Education now requires annual registration of private degree granting post-secondary education institutions. One of the major criteria of becoming registered is that the school must either be accredited or be in the process of becoming accredited by an accrediting organization recognized by the United States Department of Education. See W.S. § 21-4-401 et seq. and the Wyoming Department of Education Emergency Rules and Regulations, Chapter 30 for a full discussion of the requirements.


Since Paramount University application for DETC accreditation has been REJECTED, it has to cease operation by June 30, 2007 according to Wyoming new legislation.