Dargo College & University

[blaster]

Has anyone heard of Dargo ? Are they bona fide ?

http://dargouniversity.com/about_us.html

Thanks

[ShotoJuku]

Has anyone heard of Dargo ? Are they bona fide ?

http://dargouniversity.com/about_us.html

Thanks

Bona Fide Mill....

[Brian]

Bona Fide Mill....
Since Johann has adopted one of my quotes I am gonna use a word of his and add some flavor. Dargo is a Millimo YO!

[Ahmed]

Almeda has some tough competition. I wonder which is the best Mill, Dargo, Almeda, Suffield, etc.......?

[Ahmed]

What wonderful place to "study" at. You pay $499 for 8 pieces of paper.

Seriously speaking one must be retarded or on very cheap, cheap, very cheap drugs to pay $499 for 8 wortless pieces of paper.

A question I would like answered is:
Do these so called Life experience places make money, lots of money, or do they make any money at all? and do employers except these types of qualifications, or do they laugh at you and tell you to get help, if one present these "qualifications" at an interview?

Because I cannot see any normal person throw his or her money away like by enrolling at these bogus places and if I was an employer and a person present these "qualifications" call and ambulance for him/her, and get a veternary surgeon to check them out real quick.

[Brian]

What wonderful place to "study" at. You pay $499 for 8 pieces of paper.

Seriously speaking one must be retarded or on very cheap, cheap, very cheap drugs to pay $499 for 8 wortless pieces of paper.

A question I would like answered is:
Do these so called Life experience places make money, lots of money, or do they make any money at all? and do employers except these types of qualifications, or do they laugh at you and tell you to get help, if one present these "qualifications" at an interview?

Because I cannot see any normal person throw his or her money away like by enrolling at these bogus places and if I was an employer and a person present these "qualifications" call and ambulance for him/her, and get a veternary surgeon to check them out real quick.

Believe it or not Ahmed, employers do not really care. I know someone that could not get an interview at Mcdonalds as a fry cook but when he listed his degree mill degree on his resume, they were knocking down his door. Only certain career fields require accredited degrees or even real degrees. Most only care that you have a school listed under the education section of your resume as a qualifying factor for continuing to keep reading your resume. They don't really care if the degree is in underwater basketweaving from the University of Aquatic Arts as long as they can satisify the corporate requirement of a degree. If you have experience that is what matters to the employer, the ability to do the job. Once the degree thing is settled (by that I mean that you have one listed on your resume) then they only want to know about your experience. Employers can get a thousand applicants from so & so University and they know that if they don't have a certain amount of experience then they are all equal; that means unqualified for a mid to upper level position with their company.Just being honest.:!:

[DRJ]

Believe it or not Ahmed, employers do not really care. I know someone that could not get an interview at Mcdonalds as a fry cook but when he listed his degree mill degree on his resume, they were knocking down his door. Only certain career fields require accredited degrees or even real degrees. Most only care that you have a school listed under the education section of your resume as a qualifying factor for continuing to keep reading your resume. They don't really care if the degree is in underwater basketweaving from the University of Aquatic Arts as long as they can satisify the corporate requirement of a degree. If you have experience that is what matters to the employer, the ability to do the job. Once the degree thing is settled (by that I mean that you have one listed on your resume) then they only want to know about your experience. Employers can get a thousand applicants from so & so University and they know that if they don't have a certain amount of experience then they are all equal; that means unqualified for a mid to upper level position with their company.Just being honest.:!:


Actually Brian you are just stating your honest opinion. I defy you to back up your opinion with facts (a fact is something that can be proved and not just a restatement of the opinion). Why not ask your HR people what they think?

If there are any HR people out there reading this board this would be a good time for you to state an opinion. Failing that some of you may want to go to your HR department (ER in some cases) and ask them. You can report the results without naming your company.

[Brian]

Actually Brian you are just stating your honest opinion. I defy you to back up your opinion with facts (a fact is something that can be proved and not just a restatement of the opinion). Why not ask your HR people what they think?

If there are any HR people out there reading this board this would be a good time for you to state an opinion. Failing that some of you may want to go to your HR department (ER in some cases) and ask them. You can report the results without naming your company.

Your right DRJ, I am stating an opinion and did not intend for it to be a fact. Sure every human resource person wants a candidate with a real degree, however if they have a shortage of candidates with a real degree and experience, it is a strong opinion (almost a fact but with no documentation) that they will hire a candidate with a fake degree and lots of relavent experience.

A college degree is only a foot in the door and that makes it necessary. You can get a job when you have no degree, in some instances, as long as you have years of experience but you rarely get a job requiring lots of experience with no experience, using your degree only. You can't buy experience but you can buy a fake degree. I am not condoning fake degrees, only that for the right person(If you can't afford anything else) it can be useful to get you to the bargaining table.

[johann]

Hi

Quote from Dargo Site

"Dargo College & University is legally formed and incorporated under the law of HRP Principality as Private University...etc."

(It also seems to be a Delaware Corporation - Johann)

This refers to the Principality of Hutt River - a region of Australia established by a very clever man - Prince Leonard (Casley) who, in response to a wheat quota dispute with the government, was astute enough to research and use existing law to found Hutt River Principality 37 years ago and legally confound all detractors ever since.

You can read lots about Prince Leonard, his family and Hutt River on the web.
Start with www.huttriver.net

Suffice it to say that Hutt River appears to have been financially successful. The rulers have allowed businesses to be chartered there and more than one university has availed itself of the hospitable business climate. Dargo would not appear to be untypical of these schools, imo.

I don't think Dargo is a very good school and I'd never want a degree from there, but I gotta hand it to Prince Leonard for his smarts...if he ever teaches a marketing course, I'd likely sign up! :-)

Also, while I was on the Dargo site I got a flasher that Dargo was for sale (as was Almeda at last report). Save your pennies!

Johann

[blaster]

FYI - I found this on a search for other Universities claiming authority from HRP Principality - Interesting !

http://www.spuni.edu/spuni.edu/newsdetails.asp?id=39

[Ahmed]

Hi all

Dargo is for sale, Like Almeda, do we see a trend here, that scam are up for sale. Is it because they cant cope with the influx of students, or they arent making any money?

Guess we'll never know.

My advise as has always been, stay away, very far away from so called 'life degrees' they are money making scams.

[johann]

Ahmed -

The reason is VERY simple. Didn't you ever watch The Sopranos? If not, your business education is incomplete (imo), despite your excellent Milpark MBA! I can remember Mafia Captain "Paulie Walnuts" (Gualtieri) smiling and giving a business owner a calm lecture on EBITDA, just before beating him up in a mob takeover!

I'd guess you're familiar with capitalizing earnings - selling an asset for a multiple of the cash it generates! That's exactly what's being done here.

These mills often make VERY big bucks - millions every year. Build and nurture a place like this and it can provide an extremely handsome income. Every time your printer runs it's $500, $1000 or even $5,000! Once the place is humming, why wait around and do all that tiresome printing, trudging back and forth to the mailbox and shlepping huge piles of cashier's checks, money orders etc. all the way to the bank? Sell it NOW for the equivalent of the next few years' income! A bird in the hand...as the old proverb goes.

Then you have a massive amount of cash for retiring - or more likely, your next scam - the Soprano mob were never allowed to retire!

Cheers :-)

Johann

[Kyle]

Come on man does this seem real to you who on earth will buy this?
except for the 120 million dollar a year market of Diploma mills.



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[Ahmed]

hi All

oK, I heard of the Sapranos, but i rewally never got down to watch it, so I have an incomplete MBA (lol).

Anyways, if you say the Diploma Mill business is booming, it is very obvious there are a lot of people out there being taken for a ride. And as I said befor and I will say it again, it is the USDOE that allows these scamsters to operate 'legally'

And most honest people only want a degree to better their lives, how sad.
As long as accreditation is voluntary, expect people to be taken for rides of hard earned cash (some may have stollen cash, lol).

So, they have to deal with it

[johann]

Hi Ahmed -

"I found my Mill....
On Millimo Hill..."

(With apologies to much-loved Antoine "Fats" Domino)

Making accreditation mandatory in the US wouldn't do much against the "Mill" guys - they're based ALL OVER - the Seychelles, African Countries, former USSR, and there's always Dargo, in Hutt River Province. A while ago, popular places for mills were Liberia and the revived Principality of Seborga in Italy.

No matter what you do, they'll always find a way around it -- They just don't try it on in certain countries - like Canada and South Africa -or bad stuff DOES happen to them! :-(

And like Brian says (and you agree) there are some unaccredited schools that are NOT mills - - There, I SAID it! I'll bet you're surprised! :-)

Johann

[Kyle]

I think the unaccredited schools are even worse then the diploma mill companies.
for several reasons.

A) It is not that hard to receive an accreditation and if they did not receive it they standards must be very LOW.
B) they charge alot of money for somthing that other schools do not recognized, and employers don't like it.
C) If they are unaccredited why don't they put it in the title of the school " Unaccredited school of technology' I want to see how many will sign up it's just

Anyways a school without any accreditation(standards) excluding schools that teach courses for short priods. are WRONG.

[johann]

Kyle -

In answer to your comments about the ad -- yeah, I KNOW! Nobody but the most foolish would buy it-- but there are ENOUGH GULLIBLE PEOPLE to make mill operators VERY VERY rich - even richer than I said, it turns out.....

Mills are NOT a $120 million-a-year business as you state. It was estimated at TWO BILLION some years ago and this is a quote from a recent article on mills available to you on www.degreeinfo.com (Fraud in Higher Education) :

"Most individual mill operators gross well over $20,000,000 per year.."

My point is - the money is JUST as big or even BIGGER than I said, retarded ads notwithstanding. You want stupid customers - write a stupid ad!

I'm not wrong THIS time. If you think mills like Dargo don't make huge bucks as I said they did --- then maybe it's YOUR turn to be wrong. (We all seem to get our chance.) :-)



Johann

[johann]

Kyle -

If you think unaccredited schools are worse than mills (and can something actually be worse than mills?) then you're going to have to put up with some flak in this forum.

We all get to pick our poisons in this life - whether it be schools, medical treatment or whatever. AHMED said Breyer State worked for him and BRIAN says he's having a way better learning experience at University of Atlanta than he did at a bricks and mortar accredited college.

Even I - usually champion (or is that chumpion) of Accreditation like SOME unaccredited schools. Nations U. has had a lot of good said about it - Admittedly, they're a religious school and don't need accred. if they don't want it. I also like Lion Investigation Academy. They're a DETC applicant, State-Approved and I think they have a good chance, over time. Whether they succeed with DETC or not, folks smarter than me say they do a heck of a job.

Unlike us, all Unaccredited schools are NOT created equal. A wise man once told me he'd heard people crying "mill" and "substandard" about some schools until the very day they got accredited.

I don't think ANY school can be worse than a mill, myself. Unaccredited schools can be just about anywhere on the scale... I don't like a LOT of 'em, but they're NOT all the same All but the very worst are better than mills, IMO. If you can go there and learn SOMETHING - it's better than a mill. If someone can go there and learn a LOT - then maybe it's a good school, for them, at least.

There's some wiggle room here, I think.

Whoops - just read your reasons -Sorry! Only thing I'd like to add is accreditation is NOT that easy. Ask anyone who's gone through the hoops - DETC is easier, but still NOT that easy. And sometimes, academic quality is not the reason, when accreditation is not achieved. A recent case is SCUPS - Southern California University for Professional Studies. www.scups.edu. This unaccredited, State-approved school's JD program will let you write the Cal. bar exam and their Psy D. is sufficient for California licensure - and other states too, it appears. They were a DETC applicant at one time and Accreditation was not achieved - and I believe the reasons were completely unrelated to their academic standards.

As I said, there's some wiggle-room. Still think there's nothing worse than a mill.

Johann

[Kyle]

I don't believe that number, 2 billion is ALOT of money per year.

Think about it... an avarge fake diploma is between 500 USD and 5,000 USD.

I will say most people do not pay 5,000 USD. so I give it aroud 1,500 USD average per diploma.
2,000,000,000 / 1,500 = 1,333,333 <-- number of people holding a Diploma Mill per YEAR.

Let say there are around 1,200 fake universities around ( according to John Bear list ) .
that's 1,100 diploma's a year per school.

Hmm that number sounds logical you might be right 2 billion dollar business
geez

By the way my statistics of 1,200 fake universities is from john bear list which you can see at http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf

[Brian]

I think the unaccredited schools are even worse then the diploma mill companies.
for several reasons.

A) It is not that hard to receive an accreditation and if they did not receive it they standards must be very LOW.
B) they charge alot of money for somthing that other schools do not recognized, and employers don't like it.
C) If they are unaccredited why don't they put it in the title of the school " Unaccredited school of technology' I want to see how many will sign up it's just

Anyways a school without any accreditation(standards) excluding schools that teach courses for short priods. are WRONG.

Unfortunately I think you are wrong IMO. Who says all schools must be the same standard? Harvard is better than state community college right? They must be because you are not gonna make a 6 figure income straight out of community college.

The fact is they are different even within the accredited system. They are recognized different among employers, students,faculty and public in general. If they all had the same level of education they would all cost the same. Harvard grads may say that Excelsior or WGU are degree mills, as we all know they are good schools.

Who is to say that someones school is bad simply because the program may not be as difficult. There are some people out there that do not learn quite the same as others and may have a harder time acheiving a degree from a more difficult program. The point is that if they are working as hard as they can to obtain that degree from an unaccredited school, then they deserve for it to be recognized.

Programs do not need to be hard to be effective. Sometimes too much info can be bad, since much of book learning is forgotten anyway.:p

[johann]

Hi Kyle -

Sorry - I may have misplaced a zero or two, but Dr. John Bear himself wrote that the mills may very well take in MORE than the $200 million his article (link below) mentioned and that individual mills can make $20 million+ a year - a figure I got from the degreeinfo article in my previous post that cites Dr. Bear's work as a source.

Anyway, here's a link to Dr.Bear's article. Sorry I made $200 million (or maybe more) into 2 billion, but everything else works out...

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/dm1.html

Cheers :-)

Johann

[Kyle]

good point, Brain

But we need to look at it in a diffrent point of view.

I see unaccredited schools as miss leading.

A large majority of people which go to study in unaccredited school probably do not know it's unaccredited and think they are learning in a legitimist school with other students around and once they finish their major they will get a salary of a
Bachelor degree or a at least a Job in the subject they studied.

I am not saying that they do not know the subject they probably do and know it very well... but the High commission of education stated standards and if you don't play by the rules, everyone will think your degree is worth nothing.

I do not look at the student point of view of knowlage that he/she gained. but the problem that he will encounter later on.

And that is why Unaccredited schools are worse because you study for 3-4 years and you get nothing.
while diploma mill you buy it and get it the 2nd day and did not waste time ( Just money ) But money is less expensive then time don't you think?.

[Brian]

good point, Brain

But we need to look at it in a diffrent point of view.

I see unaccredited schools as miss leading.

A large majority of people which go to study in unaccredited school probably do not know it's unaccredited and think they are learning in a legitimist school with other students around and once they finish their major they will get a salary of a
Bachelor degree or a at least a Job in the subject they studied.

I am not saying that they do not know the subject they probably do and know it very well... but the High commission of education stated standards and if you don't play by the rules, everyone will think your degree is worth nothing.

I do not look at the student point of view of knowlage that he/she gained. but the problem that he will encounter later on.

And that is why Unaccredited schools are worse because you study for 3-4 years and you get nothing.
while diploma mill you buy it and get it the 2nd day and did not waste time ( Just money ) But money is less expensive then time don't you think?.

I do agree with you there Kyle. If people do not know any better then you are right. Unaccredited schools do state in their website and materials that they are unaccredited. I am not against the accredited school being held to a higher degree, I don't like when unaccredited schools have no or extremely low recognition.

BTW i appreciate you calling me Brain, however I am not that smart.:mrgreen:

[DRJ]

Unfortunately I think you are wrong IMO. Who says all schools must be the same standard? Harvard is better than state community college right? They must be because you are not gonna make a 6 figure income straight out of community college.

The fact is they are different even within the accredited system. They are recognized different among employers, students,faculty and public in general. If they all had the same level of education they would all cost the same. Harvard grads may say that Excelsior or WGU are degree mills, as we all know they are good schools.

Who is to say that someones school is bad simply because the program may not be as difficult. There are some people out there that do not learn quite the same as others and may have a harder time acheiving a degree from a more difficult program. The point is that if they are working as hard as they can to obtain that degree from an unaccredited school, then they deserve for it to be recognized.

Programs do not need to be hard to be effective. Sometimes too much info can be bad, since much of book learning is forgotten anyway.:p

You have stated some very sound truths in your first two paragraphs. There are schools who, because of academic rigour or because of a unique teaching approach, have earned a reputation that allows them to charge more and for their graduates to be held in esteem. This is also true of Jaguar and Mercedes. They have earned a reputation that allows them to charge more and by driving one of their products one attains a certain status.

Now let us move along to the fallicies in your argument. You are confusing ease of curriculum (dumbing down) with offering alternative learning stratagies that allow those who learn in different ways to achieve high academic standing. Harvard and most other schools recognize this and have created learning streams that help the student master the material but in different modalities. The faculty in my programs offer a variety of learning opportunities that are aimed at different learning styles to ensure each student has a chance at success.

Yes one can claim a credential from a school with a less rigourous curriculum and that is exactly what this ongoing discussion is about. You seem to argue that a degree that has as much effort as writing a cheque for $99.95 is worth the same as spending 2 to 4 years of hard work doing classes. I say that the 99.95 degree is like an Edsel or a Corvair (remember the Nadir years). Both were pretty to look at, however, the Edsel was simply an expensive dud and the Corvair was an accident waiting for the wheels to fall off.

Spend your money wisely. Good god an accredited degree only costs 5K and a little work.

[Brian]

You have stated some very sound truths in your first two paragraphs. There are schools who, because of academic rigour or because of a unique teaching approach, have earned a reputation that allows them to charge more and for their graduates to be held in esteem. This is also true of Jaguar and Mercedes. They have earned a reputation that allows them to charge more and by driving one of their products one attains a certain status.

Now let us move along to the fallicies in your argument. You are confusing ease of curriculum (dumbing down) with offering alternative learning stratagies that allow those who learn in different ways to achieve high academic standing. Harvard and most other schools recognize this and have created learning streams that help the student master the material but in different modalities. The faculty in my programs offer a variety of learning opportunities that are aimed at different learning styles to ensure each student has a chance at success.

Yes one can claim a credential from a school with a less rigourous curriculum and that is exactly what this ongoing discussion is about. You seem to argue that a degree that has as much effort as writing a cheque for $99.95 is worth the same as spending 2 to 4 years of hard work doing classes. I say that the 99.95 degree is like an Edsel or a Corvair (remember the Nadir years). Both were pretty to look at, however, the Edsel was simply an expensive dud and the Corvair was an accident waiting for the wheels to fall off.

Spend your money wisely. Good god an accredited degree only costs 5K and a little work.

Now this one I agree with. If you can get an accredited degree by all means do it. You are far better off to have an accredited degree.

[Kyle]

LOL sorry miss type