Comment on accredation

[deedoo]

Each year the non accredited universities are just keep getting bigger I see more and more advertisment in the news paper and places which you think is reliable source while they are just offering an nothing.

Example:

\"Wow they have an advertisment in Yahoo main page, they probabaly are accredited and big ( ofcause they are big & advertising everywhere they take you money) \" - Wrong

\"They have a main .EDU domain according Only accredited us colleges can have an .EDU domain - it must be accredited\" - Wrong

When I searched on Amazon a few years ago I saw an advertisment, an it's written \"Sponsor\"
You think Amazon sponsor will be reliable GUESS again ! another scam.
by the way it is not amazon to blame it run's Yahoo sponsor search results.

accreditation is everything,

[Fenner]

it's written \"Sponsor\"
You think Amazon sponsor will be reliable GUESS again ! another scam.
by the way it is not amazon to blame it run's Yahoo sponsor


Should we not try to master the use of the apostrophe?

Fenner

[LilOne1989]

It is always very important to check out the accredation of any school you think about attending online or not. We had a school a few years ago that was local and one day it just up and disappeared. The students went to the building only to find the doors locked and their money gone. My husband also went through a similar situation where he ended up losing his CDL license for a brief period of time because it turns out the school he went to was not accedited. Just because something looks good in writing doesn't mean that it is.

[Fenner]

Well, again. At the risk of alienating some of the members here, it is NOT good enough to be in poor control of the English language.
If you people want to sit in judgment on any kind of school you would first have to be literate in your own language.
Anyone who does not know the difference between its and it's should leave now.
Most of you don't seem to so who are you to speak up?
Fenner

[Sister]

[quote:004c99b223=\"Fenner\"]Well, again. At the risk of alienating some of the members here, it is NOT good enough to be in poor control of the English language.
If you people want to sit in judgment on any kind of school you would first have to be literate in your own language.
Anyone who does not know the difference between its and it's should leave now.
Most of you don't seem to so who are you to speak up?
Fenner[/quote:004c99b223]

What on earth are you going on about? We are here to learn more about obtaining online degrees. Is there a reason you are belaboring your point?

[Hard Knocks]

[quote:24f8b0e4be=\"Fenner\"]Well, again. At the risk of alienating some of the members here, it is NOT good enough to be in poor control of the English language. <snip>
Fenner[/quote:24f8b0e4be]
I think your statement is obvious and well put, Fenner, rather than offensive. I teach (in English) Polish university graduate students and I will fail them if their business reporting (in English) is sub-par. Writing is a basic and necessary communication skill.

There are two exceptions to my rule, however, and both recognise the individual: whether or not the severity of the problem spelling is due to the fact the writer is using a language other than the mother tongue and will be expected to use extensive English in the future, and if the writer has a visual handicap (dyslexia, narcolepsy, processing, etc). I have such a handicap myself.

Still, a thorough proofread will catch many structural mistakes, transpositions and spelling errors, handicapped or not. IMHO, everyone should practice this especially on The Internet.

It is worth pointing out that language facility at the post-secopndary level has direct relevance to what we are all seeking from the academic recognition of a diploma:

I have noticed countless websites selling degrees and/or courses leading to degrees with poor spelling and/or sentence construction. That, to me, is the first sign to avoid giving them any money/credit/credibility. Imagine your letter confirming your degree to your employer covered in spelling mistakes or even unintelligible! Whether the school is accredited or not, state approved or not, or the front for a diploma mill, the language of communication should be - without exception - top drawer.

HK

[Fenner]

Hard Knocks, you are my kind of guy (gal?).
I could teach (almost) anyone how to use the apostrophe correctly .
It shouldn't take more than five minutes.
Posting it's when it ought to be its shows not laziness, nor could it be explained away as a \"typo\"; in my opinion it is a sign that the writer possesses a less than optimal command of the English language.
Is there an excuse for it?
No.
To me, it places the writer in a lower IQ class automatically.
I applied to a \"proper\" university once. Their reply was something like this:
Dear Applicant:

We are pleased to send you........
our university and it's standing in the academic world....
(and here comes the best part)...Our institution ....and its' affiliates across the globe.....

I was objecting to the incorrect use of the possessive its here for obvious reasons, one of which has to do with the author being an \"admin\".

English is NOT my native tongue.

Fenner

[kelkat]

The focus should be on helping each other out with online degrees - not actually giving them one in English ;).

As for checking out the school you want to attend, I would recommend that for any place you are going to give money.

[Fenner]

This is not a forum for plumbers, streetbums or High School dropouts.
If we are going to talk about matters related to tertiary education we ought to be capable of using proper English. If not, a bridging course may be in order.
It is obvious that those members here (or elsewhere) least able to converse scream the loudest about the injustice or irrelevance of any critical views expressed on their shortcomings.
Fenner

[Starlily]

I actually had a sales call from an online program, where the telemarketer couldn't pronounce the various components of the course. It was for a MT program, and he couldn't pronounce the medical terms that he was reading, such as neurology, or psychiatry. I felt kind of sorry for him, as I'm sure that he was very young, but from the outset it gave me a bad impression of the institution...

[DRJ]

This is not a forum for plumbers, streetbums or High School dropouts.
If we are going to talk about matters related to tertiary education we ought to be capable of using proper English. If not, a bridging course may be in order.
It is obvious that those members here (or elsewhere) least able to converse scream the loudest about the injustice or irrelevance of any critical views expressed on their shortcomings.
Fenner
Dear Fenner

Let us start by asking if your assumption is that every person interested in tertiary education has english as their first language or are you proposing that anyone that cannot converse in this language is uneducated. In either case your assumption is incorrect.

Now let us move to streetbums or high school drop outs. I was a high school drop out and at one time spent three months homeless. Although I am familiar with plumbing and electrical and carpentry those are not my professions. I do however know several who are well educated and would probably not need a bridging course to spot your errors in logical argument.

This forum is for any person who wants to try to improve their educational lot in life. You should be ashamed of yourself for implying (or are you stating it by telling them to stay away) that you will not reach out to help those who are seeking assistance because they do not use the apostrophe correctly.

This is my say in the matter and I will not drag myself to your level by participating in any other posts in this thread.

Let the rants of the offended begin.

[BRAN]

Don't worry about the English lesson! Focus, on the task at hand, finding good schools. I can however educate everyone on why you are so anal about the English language, ITS NOT YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE! We appreciate the lessons but we've had them all before. We just dont care, were chatting. Now if this were class or a forum of any importance, I imagine we all would have perfect grammar in our perfect world. Using perfect grammar does not tell you what a person can accomplish. I own 2 business, I have a full time ESL position, part time recruiting job for ESL teachers, have a foreign Visa and speak 3 languages, Oh and I currently have less than 20 credits in any kind of college. Stop putting people down that are trying to better themselves, we don't care. Now, say you're sorry.


B

[Fenner]

No, not sorry.
Yes, I accept that DrJ will not drag himself to my level. It would be beyond his capabilities. Uphill battles often are.
There is no excuse for being unable to use one's own language properly and anyone even marginally interested in education of any kind ought to be ashamed. I assume that most here are products of the American school system as that would explain it all.

I suggest you don't attempt to find a European school that would give you and your educational background a second glance.
In closing, let it be said that anyone who uses it's in place of its is a moron.Morons tend not to be educated.
Chatting is no excuse, there simply is no excuse.
Bran and DRJ, you both made errors again. Tsk, Tsk.
Fenner

[Hard Knocks]

In closing, let it be said that anyone who uses it's in place of its is a moron.Morons tend not to be educated.

Fenner

While I agree that sweeping statements have their place in language usage, and I have met certifiable morons over the years on and off the Internet, I cannot agree with your syllogism, Fenner. I do use MSWord's spell checker with good reason, especially for Internet posting (even this short one, for example). I need to.

I would rephrase "moron" for another choice of syntax for example "a person using a lack of thought" or "one who is careless." A moron is an extreme definition of such and a word that judges a person to be incapable of thought. It is a word one notch above retard in its inflection of disempowerment. Few people are truly incapable of posting on a public forum though more should check their grammar, IMHO.

While I agree that a sales-oriented website has major issues of credibility when it displays poor grammar and spelling -- AND IT IS IMPORTANT for those here to know the difference and not simply, apathetically excuse a school's poor grammar/spelling -- the folks here may be at different stages and traveling different roads. IMHO, Maths students can be excused for poor spelling, but Liberal Arts cannot.

And, yes, IRL I have a secretary who takes my (sometimes meandering) dictation. Still I retain my emphasis on responsible levels of grammar and proofing on my own letters.

HK.

[LilOne1989]

This is not a forum for plumbers, streetbums or High School dropouts.
If we are going to talk about matters related to tertiary education we ought to be capable of using proper English. If not, a bridging course may be in order.
It is obvious that those members here (or elsewhere) least able to converse scream the loudest about the injustice or irrelevance of any critical views expressed on their shortcomings.
Fenner

This also isn't a place for being rude and disrespectful. If someone comes here who genuinely wants to learn about an online education and the first thing they come across is you remarks they will probably go running for the hills. We are not all perfect and we all make mistakes otherwise our name would be God and I think yours is Fenner.

[Fenner]

1989- if you can't speak or write English, don't know where to place apostrophes and commata, (that's proper Latin) then you have no place looking for a degree granting institution.
There are many blue collar jobs waiting.
Fenner

[LilOne1989]

I understand what you are saying but there is a time and place and you are making much more of an issue out of this than you really need to. Granted he made some errors but so do many other people.

I do it all the time and I have a degree in administrative studies so I'm supposed to know how to write and spell and all that good stuff and I still screw up but I don't see anyone trying to take my degree away. You can probably look back through my post and find several times where I miswrote not for now, cause I do it all the time, it is a glitch in my fingers :) . It happens, we are human, let it go.

[Fenner]

I am not making an issue out of it. I am just observing how people on a forum that deals in education and the discussion of various educational institutions
show an appalling lack of mastery of their native tongue.

Perhaps you expect me to utter my apologies for the fact that the shoe seems to fit a few of you.

"Granted he made some errors but so do many other people."

I beg your pardon?

How would you feel if your child's teacher wrote you a note like this:

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Jones:

Little Bobbie continus to be a disterbance in the class room. Are school and it's entire staff is unhappy about this and we definately will take action as apropreate.

Sincerely,
George Miller B.S., M.A., MSTA

[LilOne1989]

OK, I get your point we can agree to disagree on this one.

If a teacher wrote that kind of letter to me I would be in her face in a second, fortunately I homeschool my children so that isn't an issue. I'm very picky, but not perfect. I do mess up at times so yes I fit into your category. I try to catch my errors but I'm horrible are (edited to add I should have wrote "at" here) proofreading my own work and sometimes spell check doesn't catch errors that are not errors in it's framework setup. If you are only using spell check for spelling errors both it's and its are spelled correct and will only be found wrong if you are also using grammar check if they are misplaced.

[kelkat]

You can't judge the book by it's cover. Most of the marketing is outsourced so that the school doesn't have much say in the hiring practices. Check them out and see who the instructors are and what kind of students they have. It might turn out to be ligit. The key is to research anywhere you are serious about school. (Just like taking a tour of the campus BEFORE you decide to go to school there)

[ladygirl99]

I actually had a sales call from an online program, where the telemarketer couldn't pronounce the various components of the course. It was for a MT program, and he couldn't pronounce the medical terms that he was reading, such as neurology, or psychiatry. I felt kind of sorry for him, as I'm sure that he was very young, but from the outset it gave me a bad impression of the institution...

That is real sad too that he couldn't pronounced certain medical terms. That can cause a bad reputation to the school as many students who are seeking medical program and who knows he couldnt pronounced the words would go elsewhere.

[kelkat]

Don't blame the institution, they probably have no idea. Any one who has ever worked in telemarketing will tell you that very rarely do the clients (such as the institution) have any say in who the telemarketing firm hires.

If the school interests you at all, dig in and find out what they are really about. That's the best way to know what kind of school it is.

[Uneducated]

The grand irony in this thread is that Fenner is objecting to the use of "it's" because he claims this is the possessive form of "it." Fenner is wrong. "It's" is a contraction of "it is," and this usage by imported_admin was entirely appropriate.

[kelkat]

True, its is the possessive form of it. I just studied that in my creative writing. It is one of those costly little mistakes that will make an editor drop your work in the trash instead of reading on through. I'm sure it would cause the same with the schools admin! Not that this had anything to do with accredidation.

What was my point? ;)

[Fenner]

Kelkat and uneducated, you sure are.

You don't have a clue about your own mother tongue.
Just look at this:

"You can't judge the book by it's cover"

Fenner

[kelkat]

What's the point Fenner? Are you saying that making a grammatical error means you are destined to work at the local 5 and 10? Or are you just trying to imply that some of us on this site are stupid?