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alex_weiss06
01-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Hi,
Does anyone know about Ashwood University?
http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/
According to them, the degree is awarded based on life/work experience.
And the fee is very cheap. For PhD, the fee is less than USD1,000.
Does the Ashwood's diploma recognized internationally?
Do you think it is good choice?
Alex
ShotoJuku
01-02-2007, 04:48 PM
mill!!!!!!!
Ahmed
01-02-2007, 08:42 PM
Anyone who sells life degrees are mills
Just ask the experts
johann
01-03-2007, 12:55 AM
Hi
Sure I've seen their ads. They're a degree mill. Their paper is worthless, as is that of any place that will sell you a life-experience degree with no courses.
If you get one - don't show your boss. He'll have a good LAUGH right before he fires you! They're on all the states' unaccredited lists. You can find Oregon's right here... http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html
$1000 for one of their degrees is $1000 more than it's worth. Look through this forum for some GOOD schools - or ask for some suggestions in your preferred field of study. We'd be glad to help.
Johann
Brian
01-03-2007, 04:09 AM
Hi
Sure I've seen their ads. They're a degree mill. Their paper is worthless, as is that of any place that will sell you a life-experience degree with no courses.
If you get one - don't show your boss. He'll have a good LAUGH right before he fires you! They're on all the states' unaccredited lists. You can find Oregon's right here... http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html
$1000 for one of their degrees is $1000 more than it's worth. Look through this forum for some GOOD schools - or ask for some suggestions in your preferred field of study. We'd be glad to help.
Johann
If you don't have a degree and need one fast, then go with it. While you are working, go and get your legit degree. That is if you already know the field exceptionally well. If not, forget it. Take the time to get your real degree and learn something. Don't take the chance.
If you don't have a degree and need one fast, then go with it. While you are working, go and get your legit degree. That is if you already know the field exceptionally well. If not, forget it. Take the time to get your real degree and learn something. Don't take the chance.
Just before you follow Brian's advise have a read.
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=7960&z=3&p=
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/11/25/68498.html
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Dec/gee20041208028162.htm
http://www.reason.com/news/show/36443.html
http://www.univ-nancy2.fr/RECHERCHE/EcoDroit/DOWNLOAD/coll_eco_soc/textes%20de%20com/An%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Economics%20of%20Fa ke%20Degrees%2024-07.pdf
Fraud is Fraud is Fraud is Unethical is Immoral etc. etc. etc.
Brian
01-05-2007, 03:23 PM
Just before you follow Brian's advise have a read.
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=7960&z=3&p=
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/11/25/68498.html
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Dec/gee20041208028162.htm
http://www.reason.com/news/show/36443.html
http://www.univ-nancy2.fr/RECHERCHE/EcoDroit/DOWNLOAD/coll_eco_soc/textes%20de%20com/An%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Economics%20of%20Fa ke%20Degrees%2024-07.pdf
Fraud is Fraud is Fraud is Unethical is Immoral etc. etc. etc.
Sorry DRJ, that is not fraud. If they ask you if you attended an on campus college and it lasted 4 years and you say yes, then it is fraud. We had a policy that the government uses in the military called don't ask don't tell. Is that fraud, unethical or immoral? The government is saying if you admit to being gay then we will fire you, however if we don't ask then your OK. The government is advocating this practice. This is why the government allows such schools, because these schools are needed to provide people who have lots of experience in a field and can perform a job in that field with proficency.
Some people simply have not had the opportunity or the financial ability to obtain a degree, but if they are serious about getting a real degree and the new job with an increase in pay will make this happen for them; i mean to go back and get a real degree, then i support it. I know this is not a popular statement but I live in the real world and not the world of abbreviations(Dr., Phd, MBA)
You never get any where in life if you are not willing to give up something or take chances. You, I assume, are a person that was willing to give up something (time). Maybe this person is the type that takes chances. Whatever the type of person, if he can do the job, what difference does it make?
Brian
01-05-2007, 04:19 PM
Anyone who sells life degrees are mills
Just ask the experts
The problem is too many people are giving advice on mill isues and have no first hand experience. Has any one had experience with a degree mill diploma that can give first hand advice? Not some articles that they read.
The problem is too many people are giving advice on mill isues and have no first hand experience. Has any one had experience with a degree mill diploma that can give first hand advice? Not some articles that they read.
Yes I have have had experience with mills. I routinely turn away applicants who want to teach. I refuse transfer credits to students who try to gain entry to my programs using a mill degree (and I do know the difference between state approved and a mill). I am aware of one specific instance in the College system where a person was dismissed because of a mill degree that had escaped detection during the hiring process.
It is dangerous to use a mill degree and it is dishonest to present a credential you have not earned. Despite the protest you are about to make that the degree is earned through life experience you know very well that the mill degree is being presented to represent the same standard of an accredited university and it simply does not meet the test. If the life credit degree is meaningful it should say that you earned the degree through life experience not pretend that you actually did the academic work involved.
The problem is too many people are giving advice on mill isues and have no first hand experience. Has any one had experience with a degree mill diploma that can give first hand advice? Not some articles that they read.
as a short addendum to my previous post. Who in their right mind is going to admit they were idiots and got screwed by a degree mill?
Sorry DRJ, that is not fraud. If they ask you if you attended an on campus college and it lasted 4 years and you say yes, then it is fraud. We had a policy that the government uses in the military called don't ask don't tell. Is that fraud, unethical or immoral? The government is saying if you admit to being gay then we will fire you, however if we don't ask then your OK. The government is advocating this practice. This is why the government allows such schools, because these schools are needed to provide people who have lots of experience in a field and can perform a job in that field with proficency.
Some people simply have not had the opportunity or the financial ability to obtain a degree, but if they are serious about getting a real degree and the new job with an increase in pay will make this happen for them; i mean to go back and get a real degree, then i support it. I know this is not a popular statement but I live in the real world and not the world of abbreviations(Dr., Phd, MBA)
You never get any where in life if you are not willing to give up something or take chances. You, I assume, are a person that was willing to give up something (time). Maybe this person is the type that takes chances. Whatever the type of person, if he can do the job, what difference does it make?
Don't ask, don't tell is not only immoral and unethical it also shows a gutless leadership that will not step up to an issue and deal with it. This is the same type of crap that allowed husbands to abuse their wifes and treat them as property for years until enough people had the guts to call spousal abuse just that. Just as a point of interest when did the government become the model for morality and ethical behaviour?
Sorry DRJ, that is not fraud. If they ask you if you attended an on campus college and it lasted 4 years and you say yes, then it is fraud. We had a policy that the government uses in the military called don't ask don't tell. Is that fraud, unethical or immoral? The government is saying if you admit to being gay then we will fire you, however if we don't ask then your OK. The government is advocating this practice. This is why the government allows such schools, because these schools are needed to provide people who have lots of experience in a field and can perform a job in that field with proficency.
Some people simply have not had the opportunity or the financial ability to obtain a degree, but if they are serious about getting a real degree and the new job with an increase in pay will make this happen for them; i mean to go back and get a real degree, then i support it. I know this is not a popular statement but I live in the real world and not the world of abbreviations(Dr., Phd, MBA)
You never get any where in life if you are not willing to give up something or take chances. You, I assume, are a person that was willing to give up something (time). Maybe this person is the type that takes chances. Whatever the type of person, if he can do the job, what difference does it make?
Sorry but I was so irritated about your don't ask don't tell argument that I forgot to respond to the fraud. It is not the school that is perpetrating the fraud. They are simply stealing your money.
The fraud is being commited by the owner of the degree. When you show a degree to an employer it implies you have attended a school and completed a course of study when, in fact, you have not and that is fraud. It is not relevant that you know the stuff it is only relevant that you are misleading the employer. If the life degree has so much meaning then it should not say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned at X school it should say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned by my years of experience and awarded by X school. If the degree did that then the person waving the baccalaureate credential would not be committing fraud.
Brian
01-05-2007, 11:40 PM
Yes I have have had experience with mills. I routinely turn away applicants who want to teach. I refuse transfer credits to students who try to gain entry to my programs using a mill degree (and I do know the difference between state approved and a mill). I am aware of one specific instance in the College system where a person was dismissed because of a mill degree that had escaped detection during the hiring process.
It is dangerous to use a mill degree and it is dishonest to present a credential you have not earned. Despite the protest you are about to make that the degree is earned through life experience you know very well that the mill degree is being presented to represent the same standard of an accredited university and it simply does not meet the test. If the life credit degree is meaningful it should say that you earned the degree through life experience not pretend that you actually did the academic work involved.
Hi DRJ,
You are giving good advice on here and it is good that you do have that experience because it can be valuable info, however we are talking about employment not transferring credit to another college. We know the ramifications of that. You are right about that, it is not a good idea to try and transfer this to a college.If truth be known a lot of employers don't care whether your degree is real or not, as long as you can do the job. You must be honest if asked however. Don't start a new job based on lies. Remember, don't ask don't tell.
Brian
01-05-2007, 11:42 PM
as a short addendum to my previous post. Who in their right mind is going to admit they were idiots and got screwed by a degree mill?
The same idiots that try to gain admission to your school by transferring credits from these schools.
Brian
01-05-2007, 11:51 PM
Don't ask, don't tell is not only immoral and unethical it also shows a gutless leadership that will not step up to an issue and deal with it. This is the same type of crap that allowed husbands to abuse their wifes and treat them as property for years until enough people had the guts to call spousal abuse just that. Just as a point of interest when did the government become the model for morality and ethical behaviour?
The government is certainly not a model of anything. However the system sometimes can be used to your advantage. Look how much taxes american citizens are paying for the illegal immigrants in this country. Is this right? No. Sometimes the system is there to be used to its fullest. Sometimes you get screwed and sometimes you win. It is a crap shoot. There is nothing unethical about wanting to do better for you family if it is within the law. It is not the best approach but it is a legal one. The fact is qualified people are qualified people, degree or not.
Brian
01-05-2007, 11:59 PM
Sorry but I was so irritated about your don't ask don't tell argument that I forgot to respond to the fraud. It is not the school that is perpetrating the fraud. They are simply stealing your money.
The fraud is being commited by the owner of the degree. When you show a degree to an employer it implies you have attended a school and completed a course of study when, in fact, you have not and that is fraud. It is not relevant that you know the stuff it is only relevant that you are misleading the employer. If the life degree has so much meaning then it should not say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned at X school it should say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned by my years of experience and awarded by X school. If the degree did that then the person waving the baccalaureate credential would not be committing fraud.
When you go for a job interview you proclaim that you know the info that you studied in college, but really, how much do you remember from the first year in school. Not much. Is this not dishonest? You may have had training but why not be honest and say; I went to college but I can't do this job proficiently without training. Truth is I really do not remember that much about what I learned (which would be true). Why not just be honest?
Because the truth is, with training, you could do the job, and surely you are not gonna be totally honest and risk not getting the job, right? Is this unethical or dishonest? Judge for yourself.
The same idiots that try to gain admission to your school by transferring credits from these schools.
Once again you resort to an ad hominen attack. Riducule me or my school and the problem goes away or at least it is diverted.
You are correct though. The idiots who have bought the degrees actually think they have gotten something for nothing and the result is they get exactly that nothing.
Brian, if you want to discuss your ideas then be prepared for aggressive responses. I expect you to respond in the same manner. Please, however, respond to my arguments with some "logic". I place this in parenthasis so you do not think I am suggesting you are illogical but to point out there is a pattern of argument based on the concpet of logic.
Let me get just a little personal for a moment since you have chosen to do so with me. You suggest that your experience in industry, busines and/or the Navy puts you in a position to claim the same capacity as someone who has a Bachelors degree. Prove it!
The government is certainly not a model of anything. However the system sometimes can be used to your advantage. Look how much taxes american citizens are paying for the illegal immigrants in this country. Is this right? No. Sometimes the system is there to be used to its fullest. Sometimes you get screwed and sometimes you win. It is a crap shoot. There is nothing unethical about wanting to do better for you family if it is within the law. It is not the best approach but it is a legal one. The fact is qualified people are qualified people, degree or not.
Legal issues and ethical issues. Your first argument is that illegal aliens are draining the US tax payers of dollars. That argument is without logic. The fact is that they are illegal which means they do not access any social benefit so they do not drain the treasury.
If on the other hand you mean that the illegal immigrants are takeing away from jobs owed to Americans please let me quote your favourite phrase "Don't ask. don't tell". My god, if it works for the Navy it must mean that every American can employ an illegal alien for $1.50 per hour.
Think about it. By the way from an ethical or moral point I have only to answer for me and I would hate to live in a skin of relavency. I choose to live my live ethically and no there is nothing ethical about wanting to better your family if you choose decit, fraud, etc etc as the means to get there
When you go for a job interview you proclaim that you know the info that you studied in college, but really, how much do you remember from the first year in school. Not much. Is this not dishonest? You may have had training but why not be honest and say; I went to college but I can't do this job proficiently without training. Truth is I really do not remember that much about what I learned (which would be true). Why not just be honest?
Because the truth is, with training, you could do the job, and surely you are not gonna be totally honest and risk not getting the job, right? Is this unethical or dishonest? Judge for yourself.
When you go for a job interview you proclaim your ability to perform. If you have learned to perform from university that is what you say. If you learn to perform from job experience that is what you say. What you cannot imply, and that is the thrust of our discussion, is that you have job experience and therefore you have a degree,
Now let us get to the real issue
"Because the truth is, with training, you could do the job, and surely you are not gonna be totally honest and risk not getting the job, right?"
Think about what you are saying.
The government is certainly not a model of anything. However the system sometimes can be used to your advantage. Look how much taxes american citizens are paying for the illegal immigrants in this country. Is this right? No. Sometimes the system is there to be used to its fullest. Sometimes you get screwed and sometimes you win. It is a crap shoot. There is nothing unethical about wanting to do better for you family if it is within the law. It is not the best approach but it is a legal one. The fact is qualified people are qualified people, degree or not.
Your response totally ignores the question. Don't ask, don't tell has been discredited. You made an argument based on this premiss.
Withdraw the argument!
Ahmed
01-06-2007, 11:14 AM
To simply answer the question: LIFE DEGREES ARE A WORTHLESS PIECEs OF PAPER. NO EMPLOYER IN THE WORLD EXCEPT THEM. NOT IN NORTH AMERICA, NOT IN ASIA, NOT IN AFRICA, NOWHERE
I you can do the job, thats good, and even better if you can back it up with a REAL QUALIFICATION thats better.
so, save your $'s and print your own degree.
gET THIS IN YOU HEADS: LIFE DEGREES ARE WORTHLESS, WORTLESS, WORTHLESS
alex_weiss06
01-06-2007, 03:18 PM
as a short addendum to my previous post. Who in their right mind is going to admit they were idiots and got screwed by a degree mill?
Why US goverment did not take any legal action to shut down diploma mill such as Ashwood University? And I was also surprised how can they get the creditcard transcation service like VISA & MASTER for the payment?
Is US goverment deliberately to close one eye on this matter?
ShotoJuku
01-06-2007, 03:28 PM
Why US goverment did not take any legal action to shut down diploma mill such as Ashwood University? And I was also surprised how can they get the creditcard transcation service like VISA & MASTER for the payment?
Is US goverment deliberately to close one eye on this matter?
It's called the free enterprise system. Although these degree mills are not currently illegal they are unethical. Use of these bogus diplomas is however illegal.
Are you an American?
alex_weiss06
01-06-2007, 03:34 PM
It's called the free enterprise system. Although these degree mills are not currently illegal they are unethical. Use of these bogus diplomas is however illegal.
Are you an American?
I was born in Vietnam but moved to US with my parents 20 years ago.
I got American PR.
So, do you condiser me as American?:confused:
ShotoJuku
01-06-2007, 03:37 PM
I got American PR Please define "PR."
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alex_weiss06
01-06-2007, 03:39 PM
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PR mean permanent resident.:p
ShotoJuku
01-06-2007, 03:53 PM
PR mean permanent resident.:p
I only ask as you often pose a lot of questions that are either oddly phrased or have interests outside of the USA.
alex_weiss06
01-06-2007, 04:05 PM
I only ask as you often pose a lot of questions that are either oddly phrased or have interests outside of the USA.
I guess this forum is opened to public and it should be international focus rather than US. You should look things in a wider view.:D
I guess this forum is opened to public and it should be international focus rather than US. You should look things in a wider view.:D
I agree. Education has become a borderless commodity which is one of the reasons there is so much care required when shopping for a school. The old caveat "buyer beware" is very much at play in this market place.
There are many good universities around the world but there are many not so stellar business operations that gain legal corporate status giving them the right to conduct business. The business of selling paper for a lot of money depends on lack of knowedge on the consumers part. These boards are places for the consumer to educate themselves and others. Information from Canada (where I am) or from any other part of the world is very valuable to all who participate.
Brian
01-06-2007, 08:47 PM
Once again you resort to an ad hominen attack. Riducule me or my school and the problem goes away or at least it is diverted.
You are correct though. The idiots who have bought the degrees actually think they have gotten something for nothing and the result is they get exactly that nothing.
Brian, if you want to discuss your ideas then be prepared for aggressive responses. I expect you to respond in the same manner. Please, however, respond to my arguments with some "logic". I place this in parenthasis so you do not think I am suggesting you are illogical but to point out there is a pattern of argument based on the concpet of logic.
Let me get just a little personal for a moment since you have chosen to do so with me. You suggest that your experience in industry, busines and/or the Navy puts you in a position to claim the same capacity as someone who has a Bachelors degree. Prove it!
I was not ridiculing you. I was ridiculing the people trying to get admission to your school.
I have proven it. I have worked jobs that normally require a degree and have excelled, and was promoted into management on 1 occasion and performed very well for years. I did have 1 person that replaced me when i was promoted; he had a degree but could not do the job and lasted 3 months.
Brian
01-06-2007, 08:51 PM
Tell this to the many people working in jobs using these degrees today(politicians especially). Do you think they sell millions of these per year for someone to pay money and then just throw it away? No these are being used and for some people, they do work.
I was not ridiculing you. I was ridiculing the people trying to get admission to your school.
I have proven it. I have worked jobs that normally require a degree and have excelled, and was promoted into management on 1 occasion and performed very well for years. I did have 1 person that replaced me when i was promoted; he had a degree but could not do the job and lasted 3 months.
Your story proves my point. You do not have to lie about your education to advance yourself. However, the minute you tell people that you have a degree, which implies you completed a course of studies, and get a job based on that lie you have commited fraud.
As you say in your next post many people do this but that does not make it right it just makes it common. Personally when I get up in the morning and shave I want an honest person looking back at me.
capnv
03-27-2009, 04:33 PM
Brian and DRJ,
I am 25 years old and have worked my family bussiness for ten years, at management level for 7 years. It is a small restaurant in a remote tourist destination. I was home schooled and have no diploma or GED, but I score 130 on an IQ test and have educated myself reasonably well, as well as having a fair amount of hand-on experience, given my age, in bussiness.
I appreciate Brian's advice in getting an Ashwood degree if necesary while pursuing a trditional education in your field to abtain a degree from a more reputable source. My understanding of how Ashwood works is that they test you in your knowledge of the field in which you desire a degree. If you pass, they give you a degree.
(Out of curiosity, has anyone actually taken the tests they give to see how much you have to know to obtain their degrees, or are we simply assuming they are designed to get you a degree without having to know anything? Do we know if their degrees state that they are obtained through life experience, or do they imply that they are gotten through course work and an assumed aomunt of time worth of study?)
As an employer, I tend to err on the side of giving potential employees chances. But the population at large is told that if you do not have a degree your chances of getting a job are much lower than if you do whether or not you can do a better job than the degreed guy or girl. I think a question of ethics could be asked as to the fairness of giving a job to someone who has a classroom education rather than a hands on education. That sounds like discrimination to me. So, are we falling prey to a mass brainwashing or is looking at a piece of paper rather than a person actually what we should be doing?
I understand what DRJ is saying in that a degree implies a certain level of education, but I think the issue is deeper than that. I think it has a lot more to do with how we see each other and what we choose to believe about each other based on our personal history. Getting a college degree doesnt say nearly as much about someone as we think it does.
As a footnote I didn't detect any animosity and I couldn't identify any attack from Brian, and truth be told, I felt like DRJ got mad about the issue. While I have respect for the points you made, DRJ, I felt like you were on the offensive rather than truly trying to lay things out for the rest of us considering how to best go about getting a degree given our circumstances and the choices we have made with our lives.
Some of us haven't had the opportunity or time to earn a degree through classroom study. I have had a very sick family member that I have had to help care for over the last 7 years. But, with this economy, I am somewhat worried over the implications of a job market that doesn't respect experience like it does study time.
For the record, I do not care for the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy of our military. Things have to change there, but I think we can all agree it was an effective first step. Without it there would not be enough gays in the military to effectively change the situation.
Mort Telford
03-27-2009, 08:52 PM
capnv,
Thanks for your post. Please let me point out the following:
1. Prior to your post today, the last post in this thread was over two years ago.
2. Brian last posted in February 2007 and has presumably moved on.
3. DRJ last posted in March 2008 and has presumably moved on to other things as well.
My own opinion on "buying" an unrecognized degree (not accredited or recognized by legitimate organizations) is that it is fraud and will tarnish your reputation when the fraud is discovered. Learn about accreditation and the limitations of unaccredited but legitimate degrees. Look at TESC, Excelsior and COSC before you go down the wrong path. Experience and knowledge can earn you college credits but you need to go through the proper procedures for it to be legitimate. A college degree can be obtained a lot cheaper than you may believe. It will take time and effort however.
Baraban
03-28-2009, 09:48 PM
Don't ask, don't tell is not only immoral and unethical it also shows a gutless leadership that will not step up to an issue and deal with it. This is the same type of crap that allowed husbands to abuse their wifes and treat them as property for years until enough people had the guts to call spousal abuse just that. Just as a point of interest when did the government become the model for morality and ethical behaviour?
Husbands abuse their wife?
How about Wife abuse their husband?
The problem today is that 90% of woman want man to be the provider wile they have all the freedom to earn the same income and can leave their husband for a younger man as easy as husband can leave them.
There earlier was on psychology, you see there was for very long time a real concept in psychology that majority of woman during their cycle have mental issue, they can't perform and tend to be angry and most likely to be violent etc. This is not for this tread but look at the marriage as an institution today.
Feminist and other movements gradually destroy marriage.
To many families fall apart because its easy to get divorce and man are raised by woman. (this man have difficulty to act like a man as they don't get to learn from their fathers and the circle goes on).
How many serial killers had that problem, i.e no father?
Wile fathers get visitations its not a sabstitute for having a full time father involved.
I say to woman and man that freedom has a price.
How about husbands love you wives, wife's listen or be obedient to you husbands.
These are not my words.
In many way one no longer tell who is husband and who is wive in many modern families.
Man aloowed legally to be castrated by the feminist movement.
The courts are on the side of the woman, yet in my company there are more woman executives then man.
Today man need strong man movement to counter femenist one.
Iron John is what needed.
As to degree mills I would recommend to avoid them.
Tell your friend to print his own diploma, its cheaper.
For people with experience there are ways to convert this experience in to valid credentials.
Portfolio assessment is one of the routs.
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:03 AM
Tell this to the many people working in jobs using these degrees today(politicians especially). Do you think they sell millions of these per year for someone to pay money and then just throw it away? No these are being used and for some people, they do work.Using a milled degree is fraud.
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:04 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know about Ashwood University?
http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/
According to them, the degree is awarded based on life/work experience.
And the fee is very cheap. For PhD, the fee is less than USD1,000.
Does the Ashwood's diploma recognized internationally?
Do you think it is good choice?
Alexdegree mill
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:07 AM
If you don't have a degree and need one fast, then go with it. While you are working, go and get your legit degree. That is if you already know the field exceptionally well. If not, forget it. Take the time to get your real degree and learn something. Don't take the chance.In other words, get a fraudulent degree, get a job, and then get a legit degree. Hmm.
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:10 AM
The problem is too many people are giving advice on mill isues and have no first hand experience. Has any one had experience with a degree mill diploma that can give first hand advice? Not some articles that they read.In other words, only someone who would actually buy a milled degree is qualified to give advice on degree mills. Is that your proposition?
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:18 AM
Sorry but I was so irritated about your don't ask don't tell argument that I forgot to respond to the fraud. It is not the school that is perpetrating the fraud. They are simply stealing your money.
The fraud is being commited by the owner of the degree. When you show a degree to an employer it implies you have attended a school and completed a course of study when, in fact, you have not and that is fraud. It is not relevant that you know the stuff it is only relevant that you are misleading the employer. If the life degree has so much meaning then it should not say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned at X school it should say "Bachelor of Business Administration" earned by my years of experience and awarded by X school. If the degree did that then the person waving the baccalaureate credential would not be committing fraud.Actually, in cases of milled degrees, the school is definitely guilty of fraud because they knowingly represent their "graduates" as being educated in a certain field when the "universities" that sell these milled degrees know **** good and well that no education or training has taken place. The "students" of these degree mills are either dupes who were too stupid to notice that the "schools" are degree mills or else they are equally guilty co-conspirators out to deceive people about their educational qualifications.
Tedmeister
03-29-2009, 10:22 AM
Hi DRJ,
You are giving good advice on here and it is good that you do have that experience because it can be valuable info, however we are talking about employment not transferring credit to another college. We know the ramifications of that. You are right about that, it is not a good idea to try and transfer this to a college.If truth be known a lot of employers don't care whether your degree is real or not, as long as you can do the job. You must be honest if asked however. Don't start a new job based on lies. Remember, don't ask don't tell.In other words, get a job based on your milled degree but don't openly admit that it was a milled degree. Is that what passes for honesty these days?
Baraban
03-30-2009, 04:19 AM
In other words, get a job based on your milled degree but don't openly admit that it was a milled degree. Is that what passes for honesty these days?
This is not that simple.
People lie and get jobs. Then they learn on the job.
These that outlie you get the job and you honest man keep your hope that maybe next employer will hire you.
How many ethical god fearing people do that?
We have number of employees who lied and you can tell they learn on the job. They claimed they know all the vendor application in and out.
Unfortunatly the employer didn't have a good resource to properly test the applicants because the technology and the application was to new to the company.
My voice was only one out of panel of 5 that made decisions.
Unfortunately we turned down number of potential employees, that openly told us about their knowledge and strength areas of the product.
Wile others simply lied telling they know it all.
There is more to this but I will stop here for now.
Tedmeister
03-30-2009, 06:01 AM
This is not that simple.
People lie and get jobs. Then they learn on the job.
These that outlie you get the job and you honest man keep your hope that maybe next employer will hire you.
How many ethical god fearing people do that?
We have number of employees who lied and you can tell they learn on the job. They claimed they know all the vendor application in and out.
Unfortunatly the employer didn't have a good resource to properly test the applicants because the technology and the application was to new to the company.
My voice was only one out of panel of 5 that made decisions.
Unfortunately we turned down number of potential employees, that openly told us about their knowledge and strength areas of the product.
Wile others simply lied telling they know it all.
There is more to this but I will stop here for now.Then, in your mind, it is ethically justifiable to lie in order to get a job. The ends justifies the means.
Taken4aRide
07-25-2009, 09:27 AM
I was taken by Ashwood. They promised that any graduate school would accept their "degree". Not only was the "degree" not accepted, I was run off campus by the police. In my case, I really did attend a state university and earned a BS. My alma matter "repossessed" my education (i.e. refused to give me my diploma or transcripts) because of excess tuition due that financial aid wouldn't cover. I used my actual degree title and GPA to be as accurate as I could. Take my advice... DON'T TRUST ASHWOOD.
Taken4aRide
07-25-2009, 09:36 AM
capnv- Ashwood does not test you. You simply tell them what you want the degree in, what level of degree, when you want to have graduated, what GPA you want, if you want to graduate with honors and pay them. It arrives in the mail a week later. BTW, the money goes to some Pakistani who is laughing at us stupid Americans... probably a terrorist.
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