West Coast University

[kenhil]

May I know whether the California based West Coast University (http://www.westcoastuniversity.edu/) which are accredited by ACICS ( http://www.acics.org/accredited/documents/accreditedinstitutions092106.pdf) belong to the same Panama based West Coast University (http://www.westcoastuniversity-edu.com/)?

Some of the overseas affiliate of the Panama based West Coast University claimed they are accredited by ACICS. It that true?

[ShotoJuku]

This is all the CHEA had......


Database of Institutions Accredited By Recognized
U.S. Accrediting Organizations


West Coast University
4021 Rosewood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90004
United States
Phone: (877) 505-4928
Fax: (323) 953-3654
Web: www.westcoastuniversity.edu

Institutional Accreditation by the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS).



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[Unregistered]

I understand that the California based West Coast University is accredited by ACICS. How about the Penama based West Coast University? Are they belong to same orgaanization?

[johann]

Guys - I think there is ZERO connection here, except in the name! At least I HOPE there is none, 'cause I can't see the PANAMA school passing any REAL accreditor's sniff test!

The PANAMA one has ALL the classic signs of a fake. It goes on about being authorized to award "GRAND PH.D" in Russia - which I'm told is a recently-invented BOGUS degree which has no significance in any country's proper academic circles.

They are connected with the Principality of Seborga (in Italy) which has been a Liberia-like haven to degree mills.

Both Seborgan um..."schools" and Grand Ph.D's have been a laughing stock over at www.degreeinfo.com for quite a while. The cheese factor of the Panama school is increased by squeezing "-edu" in, right before their .com domain. I've seen a couple of real nightmarish supposed "schools" do this lately.

By the way, the website of the ACICS-accredited California school doesn't seem to be dispensing any info yet. Anybody know what they teach? Are they an ESL-oriented school for students from overseas?

Johann

[johann]

Hi - just came across this thread on www.degreediscussion.com

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1820

They discuss several inter-related "goatbags" including West Coast (Panama) which is apparently run by one Sarfraz Lloyd, and created as an offshoot of an Australian operation, West Coast Institute of Management and Technology.

http://www.westcoastinstitute.com.au/

That site has a link to West Coast (Panama)


Looks like they all hang together -- and might ultimately be hanged separately, imo! :-(


Johann

[Ahmed]

birds of a feather flock together

[ufk999]

Dear Sir,

Upon reviewing West Coast University (PANAMA BASED), I got the info. below. I have gotten an oppourtunity to entrol my BS (Degree) thro WCU (Panama). I have lot of confustion abt their accrdiation since I saw a thread from here. Pls. need proper dirctives and advises that whether I can join or not. Thx.

"West Coast Institute of Management &Technology is now associated with GLOBAL EDUCATION SYSTEM (GES) and provides consultancy services to GES accredited Universities and Institutions like ?West Coast University (WCU)? a global university incorporated under the laws of Republic of Panama. It also provides consultancy services to ?World Information Distributed University (WIDU)? an entity of the L'Academie Europeenne d'lnformatisation (A.E.I) founded in Belgium under the decree of the Belgian King Albert II"

[johann]

I read that statement LONG before I made my first post on the subject!

West Panama's accreditation is meaningless (imo) in any country's academic circle. It is designed to confuse - as it has obviously done in your case.

This is NOT an "opportunity" - it could be hazardous to your academic health and that of your pocketbook -stay away!

Please read the previous postings on this one - there should be no room for confusion or people having to re-iterate more times that it's a mill!

Save your money - for a GOOD school - something we need more discussion of here... :-)

Johann

[Ahmed]

Johann is right(again).

The school has using confusion as a arketing tool, save your money and stay away.

What I am picking up is that all the accredited schools, a not affordable, and because people want education to better their standard of living, they have no other iption but to go for unaccredited schools, which are cheaper, but harzadous to your academic health.

Again, I blame the USDOE, for not making education affordable to the masses, and having good structure put in place to deal with bogus institutions

[Brian]

Johann is right(again).

The school has using confusion as a arketing tool, save your money and stay away.

What I am picking up is that all the accredited schools, a not affordable, and because people want education to better their standard of living, they have no other iption but to go for unaccredited schools, which are cheaper, but harzadous to your academic health.

Again, I blame the USDOE, for not making education affordable to the masses, and having good structure put in place to deal with bogus institutions

I agree with you. Everyone wants a real degree, however some people can not afford it. If it was more affordable many uneducated people now would be educated; especially since we can do online degrees .

[johann]

I agree -

There are many schools, particularly in the US where fees are incredibly high. There are others, where education is good and fees are much lower.

50 years ago, four years' Arts tuition at a Canadian University was about the price of a cheesy-grade new car - around $1,800. Nowadays, it's still kept pace with a cheesy new car - $18,000 to $20,000 on average. (All figures Canadian Dollars).

A lot of people with and without degrees can afford cheesy new cars -that's why I see so many of them! In the US you can complete a "Big 3" distance degree - COSC TESC or Excelsior - for 'WAY less than that. I've known of people doing it with a lot of CLEP tests etc. for maybe $4 -5,000 give or take.

An Associate degree from a Community College can be obtained (at many good colleges) for maybe $45-50 a credit hour. $2500-3000 for a two-year degree. (Two years very well spent, imo. I'm a community College fan!)

A 2-year Associate Degree from an accredited distance school like Ashworth College or Penn Foster is maybe $4,000 tops.

No, Brian, given these figures, I don't think the cost is the major problem. I think it's lack of work ethic. Many people want the degree without the time and effort - and make money the excuse. (Then again, I've seen completely bogus degrees on offer for $15,000 and up!)

Many people say a degree is unaffordable. What they REALLY want is a diploma with NO WORK - and they can get that - from a degree mill.

Let 'em. :-(

Johann

[Ahmed]

Johann

I dont know how credit hour really works, because here the schools dont work that way, I know how you pay for a particular subject and then the total of every subject is equal to the total cost, At BSU, I paid $3600 for the entire DBA course, which is cheap compared to most schools I looked at, and I had to look at my budget as well.

You are right, that I did not do a through research. but I did some research. And, like we discussed before its what the person want to do with their degree, wheher, they want employment, increase knowledge, etc.
An have to look at their budget

[mattlandry]

May I know whether the California based West Coast University (http://www.westcoastuniversity.edu/) which are accredited by ACICS ( http://www.acics.org/accredited/documents/accreditedinstitutions092106.pdf) belong to the same Panama based West Coast University (http://www.westcoastuniversity-edu.com/)?

Some of the overseas affiliate of the Panama based West Coast University claimed they are accredited by ACICS. It that true?

All,

Wanted to chime in on this discussion. I can tell you, unequivocally, that West Coast University in California is NOT associated with the West Coast University in Panama. I know this because my sister is currently getting her RN through the West Coast University in California. I asked these same questions when she started her program and here is what I found out.

The Cali-based West Coast U is accredited by ACICS, which is recognized by the US Dept of Education. The Panama West Coast U is not recognized or accredited by any US based organization or agency.

The only legitimate West Coast University is at www.westcoastuniversity.edu

Hope this helps.

Matt

[Baraban]

There are couple of Diploma Mills operating outside of United States that go by name West Coast University.

Here is another Mill with LA address and Ireland address.
They used the catalogue of the Old WCU in CA the one that went out of business.

http://www.westcoastuniversity.ie/why.htm

I concur that there is one in CA is with recognized accreditation. As you can see above there are fake as well in LA, CA.
The accreditation is relatively new and the school is relatively new.
In the past there was in Rosemead CA a large RA university called West Coast University the University went out of business and stopped operating in the late 1990's.
The new WCU holds records of the old WCU.
All other WCU's out there are unrecognized and in my view Degree Mills.

Ah here is another fake one in Canada
They also use the info of the old out of business WCU

http://www.wcuwebsite.us/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3

Stanislaw aka Baraban

[Branden]

Hi Friends

This Panama based West Cost University has no license to operate university in Panama or from Panama. Johanan is right to notice the URL where they have inserted "-edu". Any legitimate school in Panama will have a proper .edu.pa domain and if the .edu.pa domain is registered after 2003, it MUST be having official authority to run the university.

Dont get confused with WCU-California.

Branden

[Branden]

Hi

If you find real US accredited degree unaffordable, you can always join legitimate schools which have legal authority to run courses and university and which give instruction AND most importantly do not claim bogus accreditation like that of WIDU etc. Join Floret - its degrees may not be as standard as that from US accredited ones but its degrees are fully legal and are quite affordable. Their domain has a genuine .edu.pa extension must be registered with Panamanian authorities.

Branden

[Baraban]

The problem is that such degrees are close to worthless.
They have no academic standing what so ever. They are using loophole an absence of law that monitors online education. One can get incorporated in BI
and in his incorporation articles call University and award degrees.

It would be nice if they published a verifiable list of their professors, their degrees and from what school their degrees are, I stress verifiable because I don't know if they use real good instructors or if its Boba the the plumber.

I will be the first to apologize if I'm wrong but for now its in my view degree mill with license to operate online business.

[lausaiwoun]

I am wonder why Sarfraz Lloyd can register westcoastuniversity.edu.pa as he is stationed in Pakistan and with NO physical campuses in Pakistan?

Mr. Lloyd, please answer my question as I know you'll browse this web site frequently

[lausaiwoun]

Hi Friends

This Panama based West Cost University has no license to operate university in Panama or from Panama. Johanan is right to notice the URL where they have inserted "-edu". Any legitimate school in Panama will have a proper .edu.pa domain and if the .edu.pa domain is registered after 2003, it MUST be having official authority to run the university.

Dont get confused with WCU-California.

Branden

Sarfraz Lloyd's WCU has this domain now.

www.westcoastuniversity.edu.pa

[lausaiwoun]

WCU has so many professors, are their degree come from degree mill too

Prof. Dr. Stephen R. Barnhart
Regulatory Affairs Consultant IBEC
www.ibec.ws

Vice President: Professor Stephen R. Barnhart, BSc, MBA, (Sec-Mgmt) Ph.D.-Higher Edu. Admin, Tech-Edu (KS-USA). He has many years experience of Higher Education Administration, and is the founder of the former College of Security, Technology & Management & TIU, Grandview. Dr. Barnhart is an internationally recognized consultant, educator and author, and has received many distinguished awards, ranging from the USA Presidential Office, to the KOSOVO Peacekeeping Mission He works with the West Coast University as the Regional Director for the North and South Americas and will also administers WCU-International HQ in Panama as the Vice President of WCU.

[lausaiwoun]

Is this man a real educator?


Who know his professor comes from?

Prof. Dr. S Lloyd
PRESIDENT - WCU
www.westcoastuniversity.edu.pa

President: Professor S. Lloyd, MSc (Elect-Eng), MBA, Ed.D, Ph.D, FSBP, CPM (England) AIMM (Australia). He has 28 years experience on his credit in Teaching & Educational Administration. He also supervises and directs the studies and thesis of the Ph.D. students of Strategic Management and Industrial Management. He is also an author of various books in Technical Education. He has lectured on Science and Technology and Industrial Management in USA, UK, Greece, Netherlands, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Australia. He used his lifetime research and experience to establish an international education system now known as West Coast Education System that also includes West Coast University in Panama. Professor Lloyd is prominent academic researcher for the cause of constructing curricula in the disciplines of Applied Science, Technical Education and Industrial Management. He is also a Member of the European Association for International Education (EAIE), Member of the International Educators (NAFSA) and American Association for Higher Education (AAHE) and also a member of the Institute of Global Education (IGE), which has special consultative status with ESCSOC, United Nations. Professor Lloyd is responsible to oversee all Academic and Administration activities as the President of the WCU.

[lausaiwoun]

Who can answer what these are?

Thank you!


Professional Memberships: West Coast University or its President is a member of the following professional associations:

- European Association for International Education (EAIE)

- Association of International educators (NAFSA)

- American Association for Higher Education (AAHE)

- Global System of Education (GES)

- International Academy of Science (IAS)

- Western Cooperative for Educational Telecommunications, founded by the Western Interstate Commission for Higher Education (WICHE)

- Association for the Advancement of Computing in Education (AACE)

- Virginia Society for Technology in Education