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11-01-2006, 06:14 PM

Thanks Johann! I will choose another University.

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To answer your question you will not be able to use your degree in these states. Each state has the ability to say what degrees it will and won't accept. Their laws only allow either their state licensed schools or regionally accredited schools to issue legal degrees in their state. By passing these laws, it makes every single degree granted by any state licensed university in the US illegal to use in their state. There are 1,000's of state licensed universities like Breyer State that are affected by these laws. So not only are they not accepting our Alabama state licensed degree but they are also not accepting a degree issued from a state licensed university in Florida or California.
As for Breyer State being listed as a substandard university, back when we first started up we were not licensed by Alabama. We were privately accredited. Oregon was the first state to pass laws against non-regionally accredited universities. Their Board of Education put us down as a substandard school because we did not have a state license. Since then every state that has passed a law has referred to Oregon's out dated list. Most of the time, these states list us without ever asking to review our university or do any research of any kind about us. Not once did Oregon or Texas send someone out to review our programs or even look at our website. They see us as an online university and therefore we are substandard. I personally feel that they see traditional schools are loosing tuition money because we offer an excellent alternative to students who work fulltime jobs and do not have the freedom to attend a brick and mortar traditional university.
What makes our degrees substandard? I do not know. We follow the licensing standards from Alabama. We are constantly making sure we hire the best possible faculty members. We use the same textbooks that traditional universities use and we are always updating our courses to keep with the cutting edge of the educational community. Obviously to be an above standard school in their eyes you have to over-charge your students and make them conform to a chaotic class schedule. In short I'm sorry but you will not be allow to use any state licensed degree in any of those states unless it is issued from one of their licensed schools or it comes from a regionally accredited one

johann

11-01-2006, 08:50 PM

Hey, Ahmed -

If you're in South Africa and like Distance Learning, your home country has MANY excellent Distance Universities -at very low cost, compared to ACCREDITED North American schools. Quite a bit less, in fact, than even the UNACCREDITED Breyer State!! Start with UNISA and go down the list! Many North Americans have! They were pleased AND their degrees are recognized!

Contrary to what you stated in another posting, Breyer State has NO RECOGNIZED accreditation. Zip! Zilch! Why else would it be on the Oregon list? The high-sounding "Central States Consortium" is NOT RECOGNIZED BY the USDOE and admits so on its own web page!

THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSED TO HELP PEOPLE! QUIT MISLEADING THEM! :-(

Johann

Unregistered

11-02-2006, 09:53 AM

Hi Johann

I am not trying to mislead anyone, all I am doing is stating what I have observed and read.

Firstly, true South Africa have some really good accredited recognized schools, initially, I approached UNISA to do a PHD. Their PHD has no subjects, just a dissertation, exactly the same process and format that I have done in my MBA. I wanted to increase my knowledge, not do the same thing twice. It did not meet my needs. UNISA is an accredited university in South Africa and cheap as well.

Secoundly, I chose Breyer State because it is affordable, even compared to South African Rands (currency). Their PHD had new subjects that I have never done before, and I needed to do it from home, because I am a very busy businessman.

As far as Breyerstate being accredited by the USDOE, I agree with that they are not accredited by the USDOE, as far as I know that process is a volantary process, and not mandated in the US. I cannot answer as to why Breyer State does not seek accreditation with the USDOE, thats a question only they can answer.

What I also know is that Breyerstate do have a State Licence, in the state of Alabama,does that not make them regionally accredited? they are not nationally accredited.

To deviate from the topic, because the US is governed by a federal system, some education institutions are acceptable in some states and some are not, it just depends on the states themselves whether they accept your qualification or not, because every state has its own laws and policies regarding accreditation.

Thanks

Ahmed

johann

11-02-2006, 09:24 PM

Ahmed --

A State License is NOT REGIONAL ACCREDITATION - IN FACT IT IS NOT ACCREDITATION OF ANY KIND!

I'll excuse your assumption that it WAS, as you are not from the U.S. (I'm not either - I live in Canada, 40 miles from the U.S. border, so I know the rules pretty well.)

This business about state licensing is something schools with unrecognized accreditation (which has the same value as NONE AT ALL) always throw into their prospectus. I think many such schools hope people will think it's the same as, or has the same value as accreditation. It DOESN'T! There...I hope I just saved you a lot of money!!!

(Correction : The next two paragraphs are wrong - see my posting of 11/3/2006 -Johann )

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Educationally, the State License has no value at all. It's basically a license to run a business in Alabama and nobody from the State is commenting on, or endorsing any educational value when they grant that document.

The State License has no more and no less educational significance than the license granted to run a gas station or a store!

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Regional Accreditation is granted by one of the six Regional Accrediting Bodies. In Alabama, the Regional Accreditor would normally be the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. This is PRECISELY what Breyer State DOES NOT HAVE!

Recognized National Accreditors include DETC (www.detc.org) and TRACS, which accredits religious schools only. DETC accredits many types of schools, including some religious ones - e.g. Catholic Distance University www.cdu.edu

Breyer State does NOT have any recognized accreditation of of that type, either.

I hope we don't have to talk about Breyer State any more and can talk about something else!

Cheers :-)

Johann

johann

11-02-2006, 09:49 PM

Ahmed

You are under a false assumption if you think accreditation (or legitimacy of degree) standards vary from state to state.

First, there is NO SUCH THING as State Accreditation. In some states, like California, there is "State Approval" but this is NOT accreditation.

The gold standard across the country is Regional Accreditation. Many employers require Regionally Accredited degrees for employment.

The "Silver" standard - if you will - is National Accreditation. Some employers will accept degrees from NA schools, some won't. Some RA schools will not give full credit for your NA degree, when you want to go further. Others will. It can be a complex situation.

I don't think NA has any real meaning for you. You are seeking a Doctorate -which pretty well means RA. The only NA Doctoral program I know of is a pilot program at Columbia Southern - a GOOD school, accredited by DETC. I believe this pilot program leads to a D.B.A. Hey, if that interests you, check them out at www.colsouth.edu !

Below National, there are only Unaccredited schools! That doesn't vary from State to State. The only thing that varies is the penalty for making improper use of such a degree. At least 12 States have lists of unaccredited schools and some will send people to jail for using such a degree to seek employment, etc.

You can see Breyer State plainly (Darn, I have to mention them again!)
on the ODA list at http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

What has varied from State to State is tolerance for mills and sub-standard schools. Wyoming had, until recently, quite a large number of unaccredited schools of all stripes, but the State has passed a law requiring all schools to seek accreditation or leave Wyoming.

Historically, I think it's fair to say Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, among other states, have all had their share of really bad schools - mills, not merely unaccredited, but State crackdowns (the latest in Mississippi) plus Federal prosecutions in the worst cases, have reduced the number.

Hope this sheds light on the matter for you. I should say also that there could - and should - be great difficulty (near-impossibility) in getting a degree from an unaccredited U.S. school recognized in South Africa. South Africa has high standards. Generally, her degrees are deemed equivalent to RA in the U.S. I believe some South African universities that do a large amount of distance courses are double-and triple-accredited - to both U.S. and South African standards.

I think "unaccredited" in the U.S. will likely mean "unacceptable" in South Africa. If I were you, I'd check. :-)

Johann

johann

11-03-2006, 07:32 PM

Ahmed -

In a previous posting I said Alabama State Licensing was not Accreditation and was basically a business license with no educational value or significance.

I was RIGHT about it not being any kind of accreditation -it never was.

I was WRONG about no educational value or significance. As part of Private School Licensure, course content, instructor qualification etc. ARE examined. The Act says so explicitly. However, it seems to me the bulk of the regulations have more to do with financial viability and proper business conduct. (Refunds etc. and how not to make mis-statements or commit fraud.)

I guess Alabama Private School licensing constitutes something like "State Approval" in California, meaning it's legal to offer these degrees. It is NOT Accreditation of any type, as I said (many times!)

It is perfectly LEGAL to offer an unaccredited degree (in Alabama and several other states), just as long as the school makes no false claims.

In quite a few states, it is NOT legal to use an unaccredited degree for employment and some other purposes. Lots of postings about that in this forum!

If you want to read the whole text of Private School Licensure in Alabama it's at http://www.acs.cc.al.us/board/Guidelines/720-01_guidelines.pdf

Everything else I said before about unaccredited degrees still applies.

Johann

Unregistered

11-05-2006, 07:07 AM

hI Johann

really appreciate your in-dept insight and knowlege\
into the subject of accreditation, so that means other colleges like AIU, Kennedy Western, SCUPS, are all unaccredited universities, because they are all state licenced?

I should rather stick to South African universities. here no college can operate in the country without being registered, if they are not registered with SAQA (South African Qualifications Authority), they are forced to close, like Bond University.

Can you please recommend a university/ college that is cheap and has a RA, because after I finish the DBA, at Breyerstate (sorry had to mention the name, but its the last time, promise), I intend doing a PHD.

Off the topic, are you South African by any chance?, I ask because Johann is a very common name here.

Ahmed Dawood

Unregistered

11-05-2006, 07:21 AM

Hi Johann

Now I am even more confused then when when started this accreditation convo.

Tell me if I got this right. The college/university, (I am not going to mention the name), is not accredited, but they are legally allowed to offer a degree in the State of Alabama? as long as they dont make false cliams? right

They claim their degrees are accredited, is that not a false claim, if it is not accredited?

I would recommend no on-one ever go and get an American Qualification, they should rather go to Canada

johann

11-09-2006, 11:53 PM

Yes, that's right, Ahmed. The schools you mentioned ARE unaccredited -by any CHEA-recognized accreditor. They're unaccredited simply because they lack accreditation - don't blame their state license! I understand Kennedy Western is applying for accreditation, under their new name, Warren National University. By State law, all universities must seek RA or NA accreditation to operate in Wyoming - new law this year. Wyoming used to be quite a haven for unaccredited schools. Some have already left and there are quite a few Wyoming hopefuls on the "new applicants" list at www.detc.org

SCUPS took a run at DETC accreditation a while back, but it never came to be. I believe the issues that resulted in no accreditation at that time were NOT related to academic quality - their exact nature is unknown to me.

As I said in another posting - unaccredited does not ALWAYS mean a BAD school - although it often does, imo! It's just that a secular unaccredited degree is most often a limited-use credential. An exception is SCUPS - their Psy.D. is academically fine for California licensure and the Oregon List says that degree is acceptable in Oregon but all other SCUPS degrees - treat as unaccredited.

Another interesting fact about SCUPS. It and the RA North Central University (the Arizona one) are under similar/same ownership. AND you can use your Bachelor's from SCUPS - OR from an accredited school - to enter a Master's program at Regionally Accredited North Central!

There are some unaccredited degrees that work a BIT better than others. You can get a law degree from several unaccredited schools, most of which prepare you for the California Bar. You pass, etc. - you're a lawyer. But not in many states. Many require all lawyers to be grads of ABA (American Bar Association) accredited schools.

(Night law school or DL law school does not exist at all here in Canada.) Now I'm no lawyer - and I don't live in the U.S - but I do know this much - law degree or otherwise, Unaccredited degree = VERY limited utility (in most cases)

And no, Ahmed, I'm not from South Africa. I was born in England and I've lived in Canada since the age of 9 - I'm 63 now. Johann is simply what they called me in German class 40-odd years ago, because my real name is John.

I've also been called Ivan in Ukrainian class, Jean in French class, Juan in Spanish class, and Tang Guo Chiang in Mandarin class, Iohannes in Latin - but Johann kinda stuck with me when I needed a handle for the forum!

As far as the other posting is concerned:

Yes, nothing illegal in offering degrees, for a licensed school in Alabama.
If they're NOT accredited by a USDOE recognized agency, they MUST ADD A DISCLAIMER SAYING SO, and that makes it OK.

If, in addition they CLAIM accreditation from a BOGUS accreditor, then the line starts to blur.

As far as I know - I'm not sure - you have to add ANOTHER DISCLAIMER that the bogus accreditor isn't USDOE recognized either. Seems to be what most of "those" schools do. I think to run an unaccredited school, you need a regionally accredited Ph.D. in claims/disclaimers!

I agree - it's less like a minefield in Canada or South Africa. Although it's not quite perfect here, it's pretty darn good. If I wanted a really millish degree, I'd generally have to send out of the country for it!

By the way - my apologies. I said in another posting that Breyer State stated no Accreditation at all. I FORGOT all about the Central States Consortium - unrecognized of course. Don't like to see that at all! Prefer to see none!

Cheers :-)

Johann

Unregistered

11-22-2006, 05:55 PM

Dont Go To Breyer.they Are Not Accredited.

Gabie

11-22-2006, 06:10 PM

MR/or Miss Unregisterd

Johann and Ahmed has been discussing the topic in detail, and I think we already know they are unaccredited, except for their State Licence.

Now tell us something we dont know

kouzoulos

06-11-2007, 09:27 AM

Have anyone got a degree from this University? I'm about to enroll in and would like to have some advise before I make my decision. Thanks!

yes, i do! i'm resident in France. My degree is recognized by the french council of education and i have license to teach in a school. BSU is not accredited but the courses are almost the same as in traditional universities. I'm not French; I'm Greek citizen and in Greece the distance learning degrees are not recognized even if the university is the Harvard university. But in private sector it is recognized and accepted by almost all the employers. The most important is to prove that you have capabilities on the major of your degree and not only to have an accredited degree. I know many peoples with an accredited degree (in my field, computer science) and they don't know what is "RAM" or what is a "compiler" so?

But i advice everyone before enroll in BSU to verify with its state authorities if the degree is recognized.

thank you

ps: i ask you my apologizes for my english

johann

06-11-2007, 06:34 PM

Hi Kouzoulos -

I agree that what you have learned and what you can DO is the real measure of how "good" your degree is. Your note about people with I.T. degrees who know nothing about compilers, RAM etc. is certainly a very sad commentary on the schools they attended - and the companies that hired them!

As far as Breyer State is concerned, yours is the second successful non-US experience I have heard of. "Ahmed," who posts to this forum, has an accredited MBA from a fine school in his native South Africa and a doctorate (not sure if DBA or Ph.D) from Breyer State. He has owned a successful business since long before his Breyer State days but did mention that the doctorate had helped him garner a part-time lecturing post (and impresses the women he dates!) :-)

Degrees from Breyer State and other U.S. schools with similar unrecognized accreditation (or none at all) often have limited usefulness for employment purposes in North America. Breyer State degrees are on several "State Lists" which make them unacceptable for employment purposes in those states. With this system, employers sometimes have no choice but to consider WHERE a person went to school before determining what his/her competencies are. Many North Americans may not agree with this approach, or like it -- but it has to be factored into a choice of school, where subsequent employment is important.

By the way, you don't have to apologize for your English - ever! It's 'way more understandable than my French. I'll send you a PM sometime in French and you'll see!

Cheers! :-)

Johann

sam06

06-19-2007, 04:34 AM

Has any one heard about BreyerState University. Kindly advise

scaredrain

06-19-2007, 04:52 PM

Hi Breyer State is not accredited by any US Department of Education recognized accreditor. This makes the college a diploma mill. Breyer State is licensed in the state of Alabama, but outside of this state, it could be illegal to use your degree in other states.

Ahmed

06-19-2007, 09:35 PM

Hi All

We certainly have heard of BreyerState, please refer to other threads where this institution was discussed at leghth

Ahmed

06-19-2007, 09:47 PM

Hi All

I would just like to reply to Scardrain, in that Breyerstate University is not recognised by the USDOE, is unaccredited, and is not an official university.

But I would disagree with you that every unaccredited school is a mill. Take SCUPS for example, it is unaccredited, yet their course is not a walkover, it is just as difficult as a course or degree at UOP, maybe even more difficult, and can you refer to this institution as a mill.

The course structure at Breyerstate is the same with some slight difference from an accredited instition, like Aspen for example.

The point I am trying to make is that not every unaccredited institution is a mill, the institution has to be looked at its own merit.

And you are right that it is illegal to use an unaccrdited institution for the purpose of a vacancy just as long as you make it known that the qualification is from an unaccredited place.

so, In conclusion, an individual has to make decisions based on their individual needs whether a unaccredited route or an accreditedroute best suits them.
Example, if a person wants an enrichment course not for the benefit of employment or promotion the unaccreditedroute woule be best, taking into account ones budget as well.

If you want to get employment then the accredited route is the only option, and rember the cost of accredited route is not cheap

tahnking You
Ahmed

johann

06-20-2007, 01:01 AM

Hi Guys -

Yeah - what Ahmed said. An unaccredited school can be OK if it meets your needs. Go in with your eyes open to the fact the degree is going to have limited utility.

In the employment market, in many cases it will ensure you DON'T get the job So.. if your primary purpose in earning a degree is subsequent employment, maybe you should reconsider.

Also, unaccredited degrees and individual courses from unaccredited schools don't "travel" well. The transfer credit you'll get later at an accredited school will usually be minimal, at best. Another thing to consider. If the unaccredited degree will be your last stop on the education-go-'round - - then who cares about transfer credit, right?

That said, not every unaccredited school is the same. There are bad ones and good, even excellent ones. Nations University comes to mind as one of the excellent ones. Unfortunately, Breyer State doesn't QUITE do that. (Sorry, Ahmed!) But read on -- I'm not saying it's bad, or it's not for you!

You can find a l-on-g thread on Breyer State on www.degreeinfo.com or www.degreediscussion.com - I forget which. Some grads of the school thought their experience was pretty good. Others said some pretty nasty things - substandard, near-mill, unqualified faculty etc. Some took sides who'd never been to the school. I haven't been --- and I'll try not to take sides.

Personally, I think the experience is largely what the learner makes of it. Ahmed says he worked hard at Breyer State courses, and I have no doubt he did -- and by diligence earned himself a good experience. (And he already had a SAQA-accredited MBA and his own business -- so employment wasn't really a factor.)

The only thing I really don't like about Breyer State (and remember, I have not studied there, so my opinion is only worth so much) is that it prefers to have unrecognized accreditation over none at all. Accreditation from the "Central States Consortium" means zero, in CHEA terms - but it sounds good enough to convince some people. I don't like that at all -- but that's just me.

At the end of the day, it's your call. If an unaccredited degree suits your aims, etc. then maybe it's for you. Remember, if you are in the unaccredited market there are other choices (and the prices are all over the map) and you should investigate plenty before you enroll.

Whatever you decide to do - be happy! :-)

Johann

kouzoulos

06-20-2007, 12:40 PM

Has any one heard about BreyerState University. Kindly advise

http://online.degree.net/showthread.php?t=278&page=2&highlight=Breyer+State+University

peterhc

06-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Thank you Ahmed for your post about the difference between "degree mill" and unaccredited, which I agree with whole heartedly. It's too easy to dismiss a school which does not have gov. recognized accreditation by calling it a "mill". In my view degree mills sell degrees for no work and have no real academic merit. They may misrepresent themselves (and often due) in order to mislead unsuspecting folks. A degree mill is the lowest of the low.
Above that you have schools which some would call "degree mills" and others would call unaccredited. Breyer State may be one of these. There are many schools which fall into this category which are illegal in some states. That is another issue; how useful will the degree be say for employment?
I suggest we adopt a more sophisticated system when describing non-accredited schools. I'm sure someone smarther than myself has already suggested this on some post somewhere.

Peter:cool:

johann

06-20-2007, 08:10 PM

Hi Peter -

I think we (you, Ahmed and myself) are pretty well all on the same bus when it comes to distinguishing mills (degrees-for-cash) from unaccredited schools.

I'd comment, however, that most unaccredited schools are not "illegal in some states." In the US (and not in most other countries) the unaccredited schools (as distinguished from mills) are mostly legal - some sort of State approval or licensing that allows them to confer degrees. Other countries - mostly caveat emptor!

What IS "illegal in some states" is certain USE of degrees from these schools -e.g. for many or all employment purposes.

As far as ranking of unaccredited schools goes, I've found that's a hotbed of subjectivity. There are some few that are almost universally considered excellent (e.g. Nations University) and some others that are generally (but not universally) considered better-than-average among their kind. SCUPS comes to mind.

There are others that are called everything in the book, from "great" to "substandard" to "millish." Breyer State has had all these adjectives and more thrown at it. One gripe I've read is that its unrecognized "Accreditor," the Central States Consortium, may be owned by the same group as Breyer State itself. Interestingly, the Central States Consortium has only "accredited" one other school - Canyon College. I think Canyon has probably drawn even more unfavourable fire than Breyer State and interestingly, both schools share quite a few faculty members!

I think schools like Canyon College and Kennedy Western may be near the bottom end of our anecdotal unaccredited spectrum. (And yes - I know KWU is morphing into Warren National as we speak and trying for accreditation. Doesn't alter the past!) The bottom end (to me) is where the bad comments far outweigh the good. But comments aren't everything!

As with accredited schools, the learner him/herself often makes the outcome. There are many bad outcomes and accusations at big-name schools and many good stories from schools that are considered uh...less than top-of-the line. Both Ahmed and Kouzoulos reported good experiences at Breyer State. I'd suggest that in large part, their good outcomes reflected their superior learning efforts. Output is proportional to input!

We can do our good/bad/indifferent rating thing, but it won't work for all - or anywhere near all!

Johann

Ahmed

06-20-2007, 08:42 PM

Hi all

I think we do agree on the fact that not all unaccredited schools are mills, each school have to be evaluated onits own merit as I previously stated.

A mill is an place that sends you a degree in 5 days for like a few thousands of $'s, as Peter correctly stated.

I also just want to point out that Breyer State is not a State school as implied by the name. So, dont be mislead by that.

Johann has his opinion about Breyer State, which I respect, and since I have studied there, I had no problems, my queries were promptly attended, and the course itself was quiet enlightning, and cheap as well.

And, as Johann correctly mentioned that I do have my own business so I did not study there for employment purposes, but rather as enriching my knowledge, and the course did just that.

If, I wanted employment then I would have chosen an accredited school/university.

So, Johann have given the best advice, go in with your eyes open, and dont take any institution, by the proises they make or on face-value. do your research and make your decision

Ahmed

Jay1

06-25-2007, 05:32 AM

I think, as is obvious, that some people benefit from certain degrees and others do not. There are many choices out there for those who wish to use only accredited schools and for those of a more liberal view. If Breyer State is what someone wants, go for it. If Breyer is not wanted, good, don't use it.

The most important thing, as I see it, is to make sure you know what the school is offering you and what you will have at the end. If you know these things, and if these things are suitable to your wants and needs, then it is a an option that has value.

Unaccredited and Accredited schools come in good and bad levels of quality. So it's not just a matter of accredited and unaccredited, it's also about how much quality and name you need. Harvard is right for some and TESC does well for others, but the two schools are not the same and are not interchangeable. You had best know just how likely you are to get where you are going with the school you have chosen.

johann

06-25-2007, 04:27 PM

You had best know just how likely you are to get where you are going with the school you have chosen.

Well said, Jay!

As to my opinion of Breyer State, Ahmed - it doesn't really matter. The only thing I don't like about the school is its unrecognized accreditation. I don't like it when a school owns/may own an accreditor and the only other school this entity accredited (Canyon) may/may not even have legal permission to operate, according to recent forum-speak.

No-- my personal opinion doesn't matter a darn. What DOES matter is

(a) The opinion of Breyer State grads and students -- and they have said EVERYTHING from excellent to substandard, millish etc. If they got what they wanted and learned what they wanted to know, then Breyer State was a good move - for them.

(b) The opinion of the State authorities who make up those "lists" - Oregon, Michigan and Texas to name a few. Their opinion matters if you're going to use a degree for employment purposes on their turf. Then (and only then) you sort of have to respect THEIR opinion.

(Mine, you NEVER have to respect! :-) )

Johann

Jay1

06-25-2007, 06:26 PM

Yep, I agree.

If Breyer State, not my favorite school, works for you, great.

If it isn't up to the job, one had best not get involved with it.

Breyer State wouldn't be my choice, but it's not my choice to make and, hey, I could be wrong.

One bucket holds a gallon of water, another holds a quart. If you need the gallon of water the quart size bucket is not acceptable but if a quart of water is all you require, then the quart sized pail will carry that amount.

My opinions are free, and the value can be taken from that, or, completely ignored.

Ahmed

06-29-2007, 08:28 PM

Hi

Thanks Johann, I think you and Jay hit the nail on the head, if it works for you, go for it, if it does'nt pass it by.

So, In conclusion I would just like to say that for me personnelly BreyerState University (BSU) has been a wonderful experience, and I have gained alot of knowledge and insight from the DBA that I have completed at BSU.

And, I might add that I am not going to use my qualification from BSU for employment purposes, because I am running my own business. And the advise I would give to anyone wanting to pursue studies at BSU, is too first look at what you want to achive, if it is employment and promotion consider an accredited school.

If it is knowlegde with a limited budget, go to an unaccredited school, that is reputable, like BSU

Thanks

kouzoulos

07-07-2007, 12:40 PM

I'd like only to mention the follow:

"An unrecognized accrediting agency should be viewed with caution until its reputation can be determined. Although these accrediting agencies are unrecognized, it does not mean that they do not have high standards of quality. Likewise, because the Secretary or CHEA does not recognize an accrediting agency does not mean that the institutions accredited by that agency do not provide a quality education."

..........

".....This does not necessarily mean that an unaccredited institution is of poor quality... "

it is taken from the : http://www.ed.gov/students/prep/college/diplomamills/accreditation.html

so...think a little bit before you say all these bad things about unaccredited Universities.

I'm sorry but I'm a gratuated student from BSU and I'm bored seeing all these bad words on the internet.

Thank you

johann

07-07-2007, 05:06 PM

Hey, Kouzoulos!

I'm not about to say anything bad or good about Breyer State - I've said what I have to say - and that's basically that the student shapes the learning experience and my personal opinion doesn't matter.

Now, a LOT of people - including you - have said 'WAY MORE - some favourable, some far from it!

If you want to see the REAL nasty stuff said about Breyer State, don't look here! Check the thread at www.degreeinfo.com! And go complain to THEM about it - IF you can log on! (Their membership machine has been malfunctioning for a year!)

If people have attended Breyer State, dealt in academic or post-academic situations with Breyer State Grads or Faculty, or they're acknowledged distance-ed experts (unlike me!) then THEIR opinions - good or bad - are VALID - even if you don't share them.

Sure - maybe you dislike the comments and disagree, but why are their comments "boring?"

If you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen. If an activity bores you, then maybe it's time to find one that interests you more!

Johann

Ahmed

07-10-2007, 07:16 AM

hi

Most people say bad things about everything, for example look at the University of Phoenix, an accredited university with bad press: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/150/ripoff0150301.htm.

I an sure there is good things to say about the university too, this all depends on the individual experience and what u intend achieving.

I also studied at Breyers State and for me, it has been thus far an excellent experience
Maybe others had bad things to say about breyers State.

It just depends with whom u dealing with

johann

07-11-2007, 12:53 AM

Hi Ahmed -

How many times do we need to re-iterate this - re Breyer State or any OTHER school?

(1) YES - AGREED. Unaccredited doesn't necessarily mean bad (or good).
(2) YES - AGREED. My personal opinion of Breyer State means zilch.
(3) YES - AGREED. Accredited schools like U Phoenix, Capella etc get bad press too - plenty of it.
(4) YES - AGREED. Many learners manage to get themselves pretty good learning experiences at some unaccredited schools.

Good for them! Some of the rest don't manage as well, I guess -- and they also have a right to their opinions.

We don't have to say these things in any more ways.

It kinda gets under my skin when someone is "bored" with bad press about his/her school. If he/she is bored, maybe that person should get another hobby. Maybe I should get one - it's getting kinda old, repeating myself all the time!

Like I said, my opinion is worth nothing - so for what it's worth (exactly) here it is:

Unaccredited can be OK. Can be not OK, too. Depends...(not the adult diapers!)

What is usually NOT OK (with me) is BOGUS accreditation - meaningless crap made to LOOK like a good standard. Breyer State has resorted to this with the "Central States Consortium" which is believed to be a creature of Breyer State's invention. The only two schools accredited by this monster are Breyer State itself and Canyon College. The latter school is widely debated in forums as to its presently being on thin, VERY thin, or NO ice at all, in the legal sense.

That's why I don't like Breyer State's "accreditation." The school itself - no opinion. Never studied there - not interested in doing so.

Holy cow! Look how many postings! Maybe I'd BETTER get another hobby! :-)

Johann

Ahmed

07-11-2007, 05:23 PM

lol, i agree with johann, lets move on

johann

07-11-2007, 10:16 PM

Hi Ahmed -

By all means, let's move on. But first, an interesting snippet about Canyon College, the only other school fully "accredited" by that creature that "accredited" Breyer State- the Central States Consortium.

As I thought - this school avoids seeking even State Approval by not enrolling students from its home state - Idaho. At least (Alabama-approved) Breyer State doesn't go THAT far!

http://chronicle.com/free/2000/09/2000092001u.htm

ROFLMAO! :-)

Johann

Ahmed

07-12-2007, 09:32 PM

Hi Johann

Interesting snippet, but remember this article was written in 2000, things have changed from then to now.

I have nt really looked at the schools, but its expensive I know, and without any acrreditation besides CSC.

johann

07-13-2007, 05:03 PM

Hi Ahmed -

Yes, things have changed from 2000. They've gotten 'WAY worse! Read the bad ugly and horrible press about Canyon when you have a dull moment...

It looks like Breyer State AND the Central States Consortium are masterminded by the same person: Dr. Dominick Flarey.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060123&s=risen012306

The article is of general interest. The specifics about Flarey, Central States Consortium, Breyer State and the medical school that I read elsewhere was "provisionally" accredited by CSC (I've read some hot denials, too!), are about 2/3 of the way down.

Don't think I want a CSC-accredited degree! :-(

By the way, here's a link to Flarey's resume, on the Breyer State Site. (He's President.) His two Ph. D's were both obtained from schools unaccredited at the time. CCU is now DETC accredited but was not accredited until years after "Dr." Flarey received his degree. CCU's subsequent DETC approval does not make his doctorate any better than it was when he received it in 1992. His Columbia Pacific doctorate is from an unaccredited school. CPU was state-approved, never sought mainstream accreditation as far as I know and was closed down amid litigation around 1999 when it lost State approval.

Oh yeah -- his third doctorate? From the aforementioned Canyon College! Not even State approval! ummm..."accreditation" by CSC!

http://www.breyerstate.com/resume-dominick-flarey.htm

Johann

Ahmed

07-14-2007, 07:50 PM

hi

I could nt read the first posting because its for subscribers only, and I have seen the breyerstate resume.

I think as you said things have gotten worse, and I cant dispute that, cos I wasnt into education chat in 2000, I was studying at Milpark at the time.

But I would just say that IMO (and it may mean zilch to someone like you), thta Breyer is doing a good job at present, except for their unaccredited degrees

I cant comment on Canyon, but as someone mentioned before, its better to no accreditation, then to have a bogus acreditation.

johann

07-14-2007, 10:56 PM

Hi Ahmed --

You're right. I just went to that link and today I'm restricted too. Yesterday, I was able to read the whole thing without restriction. The article was on degree mills (their term, not mine) and the part on Flarey and Breyer State pointed out that Breyer State is NOT part of the State University System, either in Alabama where it's registered, or Ohio, where Flarey, the President, lives. The writer felt the name was chosen intentionally to make prospective students think it was part of a State University system - not just "State-approved."

That was one part I wanted you to see. The rest dealt with Central States Consortium and its alleged accreditation of an offshore medical ummm..."school" about which there's been much tongue-clicking and remarks in the fora.

I'm sure if you really want to find it, it's available somewhere else. You could probably find it elsewhere by Googling "Central States Consortium."

Ahhh, who really cares. I certainly don't - about Breyer State or Dr. Dr. Dr. Flarey anyway. Just spouting off again about how I don't like some trumped-up bogus accreditors. As I said before - better to see none.

Johann