More Fake Universities (?) To The List:

[Never ending story]

Please check and compare this:

http://www.liv.ac.uk/ - REAL UNIVERSITY

http://liverpool.ohecampus.com/index.php?Ref=wwgoo1xxxx
– FAKE UNIVERSITY ??????

[Unregistered]

I think it is a question of same University, but in two different sites.

[ShotoJuku]

If it ends in ".com" it's probably a CON!

[Never ending story]

Take a closer look!

[Unregistered]

If it ends in ".com" it's probably a CON!


What is a CON?

[ShotoJuku]

CON as in "con-game, con-man, con-artist" - a fake, a fraud, a phony.....

[But what about .EDU?]

If it ends in ".com" it's probably a CON!

Ahh cool !!! saying it is soooooooooo true !!!
But also beware from .EDU,ORG,NET .*.* :) ( just everything )

[ShotoJuku]

Ahh cool !!! saying it is soooooooooo true !!!
But also beware from .EDU,ORG,NET .*.* :) ( just everything )

There are no guarantees with anything...BUT..with a ".edu" you're in the ballpark. Check on their accreditation and general reputation before you do anything.

[snoopy]

All coms are not cons.
All cons are not netted either (.net)
All cons are not educated either (.edu)
:p

[LyricB]

That's a good point about a .com ending for the website. I agree, though, that just because something has .edu at the end of it doesn't necessarily make it credible.

[ShotoJuku]

All coms are not cons.
:p

Just curious as to what RA/NA school has a website that end in .com?

Thanks!

[Mark]

Has somebody any comments on Liverpool University sites?

[johann]

Hi Brian -

I don't know of any RA .com's but here's a legit, well-known NA (DETC):

http://www.ashworthcollege.com

By the way, may I compliment you on the very good advice you have consistently given in this forum! Please keep up the excellent work!

Regards, :-)

Johann

[ShotoJuku]

Hi Brian -

I don't know of any RA .com's but here's a legit, well-known NA (DETC):

http://www.ashworthcollege.com

By the way, may I compliment you on the very good advice you have consistently given in this forum! Please keep up the excellent work!

Regards, :-)

Johann

That's a good one, but it makes you wonder, at least I do, how a "CON" school can become a DETC accredited school which is supposed to be the champagne of NA accreditations???

Thanks for the compliment too!! :mrgreen:

[johann]

Hi again, Brian -

Do you really regard Ashworth as a ".con" school, even though it's DETC accredited? (And yes, I know it's owned by PCDI.) I've never heard anything REALLY bad about the school -anything that would indicate it is a scam, etc.

Yes, I've read several times that their customer service leaves something to be desired, particularly over the phone, but I've never heard them described as a ".con." You have to do the work and pass the proctored exams to get the (Associate) degree. Most people I've heard from feel that the academic rigor is about the same as you'd expect from any inexpensive ($50-odd a credit hour) similarly-accredited DL Associate program - like, say, Penn Foster.

As I'm sure you know, Ashworth offers several Masters' programs (DETC accredited also) and the only complaint I've heard is that the price was suddenly raised from around $5000 to approx. $9,000.

I get the feeling you know something about them I don't. I'd sure like to learn, if that's the case.

Strangely enough, when I looked at www.detc.org to see if there were other degree-granting DETC-accredited schools with a .com domain, I found Ashworth's site listed as .edu - but it did come up as .com when I clicked on the link.

A couple of other DEGREE-GRANTING DETC-accrediteds with .com domains are:

http://www.holmesinstitute.com

Http://www.theparalegalinstitute.com

No other DETC "College" or "University" site other than Ashworth has a .com domain, it appears - just the "Institutes" named.

By the way, I wish you every success with your program at CSU. :-)

Johann

[ShotoJuku]

Hi again, Brian -

Do you really regard Ashworth as a ".con" school, even though it's DETC accredited? (And yes, I know it's owned by PCDI.) I've never heard anything REALLY bad about the school -anything that would indicate it is a scam, etc.

Yes, I've read several times that their customer service leaves something to be desired, particularly over the phone, but I've never heard them described as a ".con." You have to do the work and pass the proctored exams to get the (Associate) degree. Most people I've heard from feel that the academic rigor is about the same as you'd expect from any inexpensive ($50-odd a credit hour) similarly-accredited DL Associate program - like, say, Penn Foster.

As I'm sure you know, Ashworth offers several Masters' programs (DETC accredited also) and the only complaint I've heard is that the price was suddenly raised from around $5000 to approx. $9,000.

I get the feeling you know something about them I don't. I'd sure like to learn, if that's the case.

Strangely enough, when I looked at www.detc.org to see if there were other degree-granting DETC-accredited schools with a .com domain, I found Ashworth's site listed as .edu - but it did come up as .com when I clicked on the link.

A couple of other DEGREE-GRANTING DETC-accrediteds with .com domains are:

http://www.holmesinstitute.com

Http://www.theparalegalinstitute.com

No other DETC "College" or "University" site other than Ashworth has a .com domain, it appears - just the "Institutes" named.

By the way, I wish you every success with your program at CSU. :-)

Johann

I'm not in a position to label Ashworth or any other school for that matter as a CON simply because the website ends with .com but I would be more inclined to move on. As for Ashworth, I checked their programs out and moved because of the $$$ issue and that you have to pay upfront.

As for the DETC listings, yes - some have .com addresses but I would predict that sooner or later they'll be .edu addresses.

Thanks for success wish form me and CSU!!!

Good Luck!!

[Unregistered]

I am about to apply for admission to this school and I (also ) am a little concerned that it is a fraud.. Ii have searched on the net,however cannot find anything that says it is one (fraud). The masters program is a mere 19,000 euros, so it is indeed a lot of money to lose if it is not a valid school..

here are some details of the school:

Laureate Online Education, the e-learning partner of
The University of Liverpool
Tel: +31 (0)20 713 0069
Fax: +31 (0)20 713 0013
Freephone UK Only: 0800 376 8341
Email: nico.samaras@ohecampus.com
Web: http://www.uol.ohecampus.com

I have indeed phone the university of liverpool and they confirmed that this company provided their e-learning online degree programs..

What ya guys fink?

[johann]

Hi -

I'm can't say positively either, but you've had one good sign. Liverpool University acknowledged Laureate as their DL partner, when you phoned.

I think the following might be the acid test, here: If Liverpool University will say (IN WRITING) that your courses taken through Laureate will get you a degree that says LIVERPOOL UNIVERSITY - nothing less nothing more, then I'd have to think it's OK. And maybe ask if there's any other way to get the DL degree you want from them except through Laureate ... who knows what they'll say!

I don't THINK it's a fraud. Here's my chief reason: I note they advertise Sallie Mae financing is available to US students. Anybody can jump in and correct me if needed, but I don't THINK Sallie Mae knowingly finances study at fraudulent schools, do they?

There's a long prospectus (PDF) on the website. I read a fair bit of it and they cite the right stuff (QAA etc) and it certainly doesn't read at all like material from any "goatbag" I've ever encountered, to use Dr. George Gollin's apt term. Sure, I've read stuff on the mill-sites that was lifted verbatim from legit schools. This prospectus doesn't look like that to me - but I'm no expert.

Have a good long hard look at that document, and maybe phone Liverpool once more and get them to WRITE EXACTLY what school's name would appear on your degree and if the program can be done by DL by any other means than Laureate.

My instinct says it's legit although only Laureate/Liverpool can offer proof positive, or an alternative way to the degree you want. I certainly think you're wise to be suspicious -19,000 euros is a lot of money!

There are people who post here who know WAY more about British DL education than I ever will - Dr. John Bear, for instance. C'mon experts --weigh in here!

I wish you well. :-)

Johann

[johann]

Hi again - another good sign is:

When you go to the www.liv.ac.uk site and click on "Study at Liverpool/ Online Degrees" the page you're taken to (still the Univ. site) tells you first thing that their distance ed. partner is Laureate.

On further enquiry, you link from the University site ITSELF to the .com site originally questioned.

If this is a fraud - nothing is impossible - then it's gotta be the most elaborate "unfraudly-looking" one I've ever seen! :-)

Johann

[Never ending story]

Hi again - another good sign is:

When you go to the www.liv.ac.uk site and click on "Study at Liverpool/ Online Degrees" the page you're taken to (still the Univ. site) tells you first thing that their distance ed. partner is Laureate.

On further enquiry, you link from the University site ITSELF to the .com site originally questioned.

If this is a fraud - nothing is impossible - then it's gotta be the most elaborate "unfraudly-looking" one I've ever seen! :-)

Johann

Johann, you are ABSOLUTELY right. This is a SCAM u among many others (Almeda, Rochville, Belford, Concordia, Glendale, Capella, etc...) D mill universities. Therefore I myself would only trust on Universities which are nationally or regionally ACCREDITED!

[johann]

What do you mean, Never Ending Story, when you say "I'm absolutely right?"

University of Liverpool is DEFINITELY NOT A SCAM. It was properly chartered to award degrees in 1903!

None of us disputed that for an instant. Our friend was concerned that Laureate Education, their acknowledged Distance Ed. partner, might not be on the up-and-up.

I said they looked OK to me for various reasons (Sallie Mae, etc.) but to make doubly sure first. I suggested a further acid-test or two that might confirm their legitimacy once and for all.

And now you come saying Johann is "absolutely right", "Liverpool's a mill, like Almeda and Rochville?"

READ THE POSTINGS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF!!

You won't read any more of MINE - thanks for making me finally realize I should be spending time working on a degree, not wasting it writing in this forum.

It's a never-ending story, all right! You try to help, and what do you get?

'Bye, Forum!

Johann

[Unregistered]

That entry about a "scam" also confused me.. first I had nothing but positive feedback then someone did that idle comment. Well I hope you are right Johann for i today applied. I also do not think it was a scam for I had to fill out a lot of paperwork with history and references. My application was supposed to go towards a board and it was indeed approved. They take payment plans so I am paying for the degree in monthly installments.. like I said, i guess I will find out when I start taking the classes. I agree with you. It if is a scam.. it is an elaborate one. for again, i cannot find anyting on the net that says they are a scam.

Johann, thanks for your input!

[johann]

Hi - Glad I could help. My congratulations on your choice of Liverpool University. - I wish you every success.

Also glad I lurked a bit. NOW I get to go after this clown who says just about anyone can get a DL degree for experience under the French VAE law. (One can, in France, from a French university - but you have to be there and it all has to be under the proper circumstances.)

I'll bet this guy is shilling for a well-known "school", on the Oregon List!

Again, my congrats on Liverpool - it's a FINE school and - like most British Distance Ed - I'm sure your chosen program is definitely world-class!

Now -- My trusty charger, please! ..And where's my ****' hauberk!!

Cheers

Johann

[Unregistered]

If you are looking for any of these, I would strongly suggest www.diplomamakers.com

After being ripped off from diplomaprinting services I can say diploma makers will actually send you something with the correct school name.

[Unregistered]

Getting in touch

We appreciate the time you've taken to visit the Laureate Online Education website and look forward to assisting you in any way we can with your application to join a University of Liverpool online Masters programme.

Email addresses:

General Information:
info@ohecampus.com

Admissions:
admission@ohecampus.com

Jobs:
jobs@ohecampus.com

Partner enquiries:
marketing@ohecampus.com

Webmaster:
webmaster@ohecampus.com


There is a hook which coolects your request info and send to the Nigerian Scam. the official site contact info is at http://www.uol.ohecampus.com/about/contact_us.phtml


Other contact details:

Laureate Online Education B.V.
Arena Boulevard 61 - 75
1101 DL Amsterdam Z.O.
The Netherlands

Phone (+31) (0) 20 - 713 0000
Fax (+31) (0) 20 - 713 0099















I am about to apply for admission to this school and I (also ) am a little concerned that it is a fraud.. Ii have searched on the net,however cannot find anything that says it is one (fraud). The masters program is a mere 19,000 euros, so it is indeed a lot of money to lose if it is not a valid school..

here are some details of the school:

Laureate Online Education, the e-learning partner of
The University of Liverpool
Tel: +31 (0)20 713 0069
Fax: +31 (0)20 713 0013
Freephone UK Only: 0800 376 8341
Email: nico.samaras@ohecampus.com
Web: http://www.uol.ohecampus.com

I have indeed phone the university of liverpool and they confirmed that this company provided their e-learning online degree programs..

What ya guys fink?

[johann]

Hi

I'm VERY interested!

I know there are 'way more than a couple of Nigerian Scams. "Nigerian Scam" has almost become a generic term, though several do in fact originate from Nigeria.

To be known as "THE Nigerian Scam," this must indeed be a whopping, unprecedented con! Wooooo - I live in fear of this mutha!!

Your posting is largely an accurate quote from the Laureate Education site, including the URL's and e-mail addresses for contact etc. So....

(1) How do we come to know of this "hook?"

(2) Does Laureate not know about it?

(3) How does it work - is it "harvesting" e-mail addresses or something more sinister?

In other words, is this "hook" fact or merely your personal attention-getting device: fictitious fearmongering? I don't take much on faith so I'm sure as hell not gonna believe a tale like this without your pointing to some hard evidence!

Cheers :-)

Johann

[Unregistered]

If you are looking for any of these, I would strongly suggest www.diplomamakers.com

After being ripped off from diplomaprinting services I can say diploma makers will actually send you something with the correct school name.

I totally agree with you. I ordered with them about a month ago and everthing looks really good!!!!!

[Unregistered]

If you are looking for any of these, I would strongly suggest www.diplomamakers.com

After being ripped off from diplomaprinting services I can say diploma makers will actually send you something with the correct school name.

I agree!!!! I just got done doing business with www.diplomamakers.com and it turned out awesome. I would totally recomend them!

[kelkat]

The key to avoiding any con is to do your research. You should never send anyone money without knowing their past history, reputation, and experience.

Do your homework (before and after you find your school) and you will be okay.

[Angela]

I ordered a diploma from diplomakers.com. It did arrive but the product looked very cheap. I then did some research and ordered one from www.noveltycertifications.com and looked much more realistic.

[vijay]

Trinity International & Trinity Institute of Advanced Studies Delaware USA

http://www.trinityinternationalcu.com/ is it a fake..Please help me ?????:confused:

[tony_ramos]

similar to this: http://www.adtegrity.com/uol/

Please check and compare this:

http://www.liv.ac.uk/ - REAL UNIVERSITY

http://liverpool.ohecampus.com/index.php?Ref=wwgoo1xxxx
– FAKE UNIVERSITY ??????

[Dennis Ruhl]

Some British universities seem to partner with anyone. I assume you end up taking the exams from the real university and earn your degree from them.

[johann]

Hi -

Yes, Dennis, they do partner up - quite a lot. For instance, ICS in Britain has partnered with University of London, to offer a couple of bachelor's degree programs. You pay ICS and your degree says U. of London.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm told that Laureate Education is indeed U. of Liverpool's legit partner in the delivery of distance programs.

I think our fellow poster Tony_Ramos still has a LOT of trouble distinguishing the fake from the real. He continues to view the Laureate/Liverpool site as fake, despite the other thread, and after 8 pages of vehement opposition, he still gallantly defends Ansted University and its leader, "Baron Prof. Dr. Sir" Roger Haw, former insurance salesman and holder of two mill-doctorates, one from his own school.

Well, why should he believe me anyway, if he doesn't want to? It's his money and his choice, after all. 'Nuff said....

Cheers! :-)

Johann

[wish-i-could-say-more]

Laureate Online Education and University of Liverpool work together to provide the degrees. Laureate provides the learning platform, support, teachers, modules, etc and Liverpool gives its stamp of approval. Your degree comes from the University of Liverpool and you can attend the graduation ceremony on campus. It is a legit set-up.

However.....I personally wouldn't recommend...

[johann]

Hi

Thanks for clarifying. I was pretty sure that was indeed the way the partnership worked, with Laureate and U. of Liverpool.

I'll just take your posting as a hint to do some research and see what people's experience has been... no harm in that.

Johann

[Nell Spillane]

Has anyone had any experience with or heard anything about Ashwood University its an Online college offering Life Equivalent degrees and whilst that is not a problem per se I would value any feedback or information that any members of the forum could share on this collage

[scaredrain]

Has anyone had any experience with or heard anything about Ashwood University its an Online college offering Life Equivalent degrees and whilst that is not a problem per se I would value any feedback or information that any members of the forum could share on this collage

Ashwood University is a flat out diploma mill, where you can literally purchase any type of degree that you want.

You can read the entry on Ashwood at Wikipedia and at the bottom you will find links to stories about the university and its millish nature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashwood_University

[highlander]

Brown Western University

http://www.brownwestern.org/

Any comments?

[scaredrain]

Brown Western University

http://www.brownwestern.org/

Any comments?

According to Brown Western University's website they were once a candidate or were actually approved by the State of California's Bureau of of Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education. This Bureau no longer exists in California, due to the sunset clause, so Brown Western is basically an unaccredited and unregulated institution.

If you want a degree from Brown Western for personal reasons, then by all means you should pursue it, but to use it for professional reasons could land you in jail in some states or may severly hamper your employment at some organizations.

[johann]

Hi -

Just out of curiosity, I checked Brown Western's tuition - $225 per credit hour (undergrad).

This is insane, for an unaccredited school! There are RA schools charging less! For instance, Peru State, which Scaredrain mentioned today - $168 per, or for HALF that, another low-cost favourite, LSU at $241 for 3 credits!

If NA will suffice, Penn Foster is around $58 a credit, Columbia Southern and AJU are around $185. All less (sometimes in a different universe) than Brown Western.

Brown Western will never get their "final approval" from the BPPVE -- because that body has disbanded (sunset clause). Right now there's no "State Approval" for California Schools because there's nobody there to approve 'em.

It's a totally unregulated market right now - and you can do 'way better than this one, for 'way less money!

Johann

[dreamer]

Dear Readers,

I am a student with Laureate Online Education Inc. I have been for a few years.

There are many problems with their programs. I will list some facts here. Please, please, please do consider them extremely carefully before considering parting with your money.

1. I have paid them thousands of pounds

2. They will not answer the phone (in the Netherlands or in the US).

3. The only time I managed to speak to a Laureate employee and mentioned making a complaint, they put the telephone receiver down.

4. My only contact is by email and they do not reply if they do not feel like it.

5. Some of the instructors cannot speak English properly (yes, they are grading you).

6. The software platform they have used (up to 3 concurrently with several different logon credentials!) is broken. It will not run effectively, has shut down systems etc. I'm a programmer, I know when something's screwy.

7. While complaining about 6, my 'contact' didn't bother to report bugs to technical. Cool eh? *rolls eyes*

8. Now I'm in the process of trying to sort this costly (in time and money) mess out. I cannot complete my studies and they have responded that they do not care.

9. Please, please, please (I wish I had done this) - try to access a company complaints department before parting with your money. When you find it's a dead end and nobody there cares, you know not to spend your money there.

10. With the ongoing complications with Laureate, I do fear that your degree would be worthless and laughed at, like mine probably will be. Course materials are out of date etc...

..and I sooooooooooo wish someone would contact me from Laureate to fix this problem, but all I'm getting is silence and lockdown.

Funny, they we all over me when I was arranging payments to them.

So, unless you want to get in a really sticky spot, my advice is to stay as far away as possible from these clowns, they are not academics, simply business people who want your money.

If anyone wants to certify I'm telling the truth, contact me, I'm not shy and nothing to hide. I have simply had to resort to coming online to try and get the company to contact me -and I'M ONE OF THEIR STUDENTS!!!

Lol... go figure :)

dreamer






Getting in touch

We appreciate the time you've taken to visit the Laureate Online Education website and look forward to assisting you in any way we can with your application to join a University of Liverpool online Masters programme.

Email addresses:

General Information:
info@ohecampus.com

Admissions:
admission@ohecampus.com

Jobs:
jobs@ohecampus.com

Partner enquiries:
marketing@ohecampus.com

Webmaster:
webmaster@ohecampus.com


There is a hook which coolects your request info and send to the Nigerian Scam. the official site contact info is at http://www.uol.ohecampus.com/about/contact_us.phtml


Other contact details:

Laureate Online Education B.V.
Arena Boulevard 61 - 75
1101 DL Amsterdam Z.O.
The Netherlands

Phone (+31) (0) 20 - 713 0000
Fax (+31) (0) 20 - 713 0099

[skeptical]

Hi Dreamer,

I'm actually in the process of waiting to hear back from Liverpool's online degree program as to whether I have been accepted or not.

After reading your post, I'm a bit worried. Do you think the program is a scam ? Do you feel they are just asking you to pay and then not actually allowing you to finish the degree online ? Do you know anyone that has graduated from any of the online programs ?

Can you tell me a bit more about how the sessions actually work day to day - what is involved, etc. ?

I"ve tried to search for other threads, but nobody seems to follow up after they've been accepted. I'm just curious as to whether you think its worth it, and if you did confirm that the degree awarded will say U of Liverpool ?

Thanks,
Skeptical

[Kyle]

Hi Dreamer,

I'm actually in the process of waiting to hear back from Liverpool's online degree program as to whether I have been accepted or not.

After reading your post, I'm a bit worried. Do you think the program is a scam ? Do you feel they are just asking you to pay and then not actually allowing you to finish the degree online ? Do you know anyone that has graduated from any of the online programs ?

Can you tell me a bit more about how the sessions actually work day to day - what is involved, etc. ?

I"ve tried to search for other threads, but nobody seems to follow up after they've been accepted. I'm just curious as to whether you think its worth it, and if you did confirm that the degree awarded will say U of Liverpool ?

Thanks,
Skeptical

This page scares me.
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[skeptical]

Hmmm, now I'm even more weary - thats not a very promising statement they post.
I've been in touch with an enrollment advisor for the past month or so, and supposedly the application deadline was this week. I've been sending in my correspondance; however have not heard back since the beginning of last week! I've emailed asking why I have not received a reply, but still have heard nothing back. I wonder.
Another question though, if this was a scam, why would they offer financial scholarships ?
Confused and skeptical.

[ham]

Hmmm, now I'm even more weary - thats not a very promising statement they post.
I've been in touch with an enrollment advisor for the past month or so, and supposedly the application deadline was this week. I've been sending in my correspondance; however have not heard back since the beginning of last week! I've emailed asking why I have not received a reply, but still have heard nothing back. I wonder.
Another question though, if this was a scam, why would they offer financial scholarships ?
Confused and skeptical.

It has NOT to be a scam to be crappy.
I am studying with one of the oldest UK universities...so far it took weeks -if not months- to get a reply to many questions.
The assigned registrar's clerk denied on the phone she knew of a request I had made ( no email arrived to her ) in OCTOBER...yea...I left a message on her voicemail and talked with her supervisor who later reported she knew but had been busy...my request would be attended to soon...yet she claims she never heard from me...
Syllabi are great and courses unique, but there is a lot of legwork to do.
Just weigh pro and cons...

[skeptical]

The oldest uni in UK - is it Liverpool ? Is your program partnered with Laureate Online Education ?

[ham]

The oldest uni in UK - is it Liverpool ? Is your program partnered with Laureate Online Education ?

No, it is not Liverpool and has nothing to do with Laureate. It is in Wales.

[Dennis Ruhl]

The oldest are Oxford and Cambridge. The rest don't really matter in the Oxbridge time frame. They're all new.

[ham]

The oldest are Oxford and Cambridge. The rest don't really matter in the Oxbridge time frame. They're all new.

Not that it really matters...it's just one punchline that university uses as self-promotion...Italian universities are the oldest in Europe, but today all you see are decrepit buildings spray-painted with lefty slogans and a bunch of sissy self-important marxists as teachers...hardly anything worth noting.

[ZanZan88]

It must have the contact info tab. I haven't locate it in this site
http://liverpool.ohecampus.com/index.php?Ref=wwgoo1xxxx

But saw it right away in this site http://www.liv.ac.uk/
I think it's one way you can say if it's fake or not. Contact info is important.

[naios]

Hi everyone. first post on this board. I can assure you that this on line university is not fake. I have done alot of research prior to my acceptance and enrollment which includes randomly contacting people on linked in who are currently registered in various masters. I have logged in to my student accound and have seen the infrastructure in place, course outlines, etc. Of all the people I have contacted so far (out of the blue) all of the 9 have told me they think the program is very good, but they work you exceptionally hard. I begin in September and can respond to any questions once I begin the program.

If you are registerd to Linked in I encourage you to contact people you see enrolled in the progam. I also encourage you to contact an enrollment advisor and ask to attend one of the online webinars.

[Kyle]

Here’s a link regarding diploma mills and how to spot them to make the determination for yourselves: http://www.degree.net/html/diploma_mills.html

[hp8109]

Folks,

University of Liverpool/Laureate is not fake at all, and in fact their programme is quite good (managed by Laureate as an on-line partner). I signed up in 2006 and submitted my dissertation for an MSc this year. Actaully, it was really hard work, most of the courses were good with skilled instructors from all around the globe with decent academic and research background, of course, there were some that I spent minimal time on as the instructor and course quality wasn't that good. However, I see nothing special with this, I had the same that during my old brick and mortar university days too.

I never had any problems they didn't take care of - once I had to file a complaint about an instructor and it was sorted out very professionally. My student support manager contacts me on a regular basis. All teaching is done on-line and you have tough deadlines to make - on average I spent about 20-40 hours per week studying. The dissertation is 9 months and involved some research. They have a great online library you can access during studies. And the final graduation actually takes place in Liverpool. I know many people around the globe who signed up and already graduated.

Feel free to ask questions - happy to answer (even in private).

[lisagoldner]

Hi - Glad I could help. My congratulations on your choice of Liverpool University. - I wish you every success.

Also glad I lurked a bit. NOW I get to go after this clown who says just about anyone can get a DL degree for experience under the French VAE law. (One can, in France, from a French university - but you have to be there and it all has to be under the proper circumstances.)

I'll bet this guy is shilling for a well-known "school", on the Oregon List!

Again, my congrats on Liverpool - it's a FINE school and - like most British Distance Ed - I'm sure your chosen program is definitely world-class!

Now -- My trusty charger, please! ..And where's my ****' hauberk!!

Cheers

[trueacademic]

The persons(s) who started this thread originally stating that LOE (Laureate Online Education and University of Liverpool either are together or separately running a scam, obviously has a personal axe to grind and has not followed through on some aspect of their application, tuition fees or self education on how online studies work. There are very few successful online higher education academic studies, and the UofL and LOE have set up and continue to run one of the model systems to deliver real, high level studies globally.

If you need to verify the online studies, its simply. Call the University of Liverpool, or if you cannot manage that, simply go to the University of Liverpools ACTUAL site http://www.liv.ac.uk/ and click on the Online Studies. It will for sure explain to you that the university concentrates on education as it has for over 100 years, and thusly outsource if you will, the managing of the online students to Laureate Online Education. LOE manages the non academic side while the university manages the academics. So any online student IS A STUDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF LIVERPOOL, while their what you may call Student Advisor (non academic), financials, invoices, grade processing, etc is all handled off campus.

Any student having an issue with either the university or with Laureate are taken care of in a timely manner, however, as is always the case some students hate to follow university policies, pay their student loans or tuitions on time or ensure they have read what they are signing up for in the beginning. Some people just want to be given a title, advancement or better earnings but are not committed to do the work to reach that level. No real degree is free, it takes hard work, commitment and sacrifice. Either be willing to do that or accept staying at the level you are at now. "You will always get what you have always got if you continue to do the same thing you have always done". Make the change and advance your life.

For those who are thinking University of Liverpool Online Degrees are not real, simply watch one of the actual graduation ceremonies. http://www.liv.ac.uk/graduation/2009/10-07-09/10-07-09-pm.htm

For all of the webcasts of past graduations go here http://www.liv.ac.uk/graduation/ceremony_webcast.htm