FAKE NON- ACCREDITED Universities: Almeda, Belford, Rochville, ushmore, Suffield, Ash [Archive]

Be aware!

10-12-2006, 04:20 AM

Kyle

10-12-2006, 11:53 AM

Yep.. Nothing new around the sun more and more universties are added each day john bear got a list of 2k unaccredited schools !
that scam people for over 5k on a daily basis

Unregistered

10-13-2006, 07:13 PM

Hi I am Annie and am doing research on Almeda University. I see it is on your list of scams. How did you come to this conclusion? Thanks for your help.

Polly

10-13-2006, 08:12 PM

Hi I am Annie and am doing research on Almeda University. I see it is on your list of scams. How did you come to this conclusion? Thanks for your help.

I just Googled Almeda and this is the result:

The eLearners News Blog : Diploma Mills  A diploma mill is an institution that operates without upholding any ... few clicks of the Internet to determine Almeda University is a degree mill. ...
community.elearners.com/blogs/elearnersnews/rss.aspx?CategoryID=1000 - 34k -

almeda universityMy college claims to have been affiliated to almeda university. ... So whether you refer to them as Diploma Mills or Unaccredited Life Experience Degree ...
www.askmehelpdesk.com/distance-learning/almeda-university-29364.html - 53k -

Diploma Mills - An up-to-date list anywhere? [Archive] - Online ...Accredited / Unaccredited / State approved / Diploma Mill. ... I have a question this Almeda and belford university pop up everywhere for the last few years ...
online.degree.net/archive/index.php/t-125.html - 43k

Beware of almeda college, almeda university - fake scam. - Online ...thanx for telling the cheating and fraud by diploma mill bcz almeda saying to me that they r geniune and they r accrcated thanx plz tell me more abouit this ...
online.degree.net/showthread.php?p=808 - 54k

Office of Degree Authorization - Official State of Oregon WebsiteDiploma Mills · Unaccredited Colleges ... Almeda College (University), Florida, Idaho, Closed by legal action in Florida but may still be operating there. ...
www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html - 195k

How diploma mills are threatening national security | User CommentsDiploma mills can and do give some individuals the appearance of having ... was based in part on a fake civil engineering degree from Almeda University. ...
www.tnr.com/doc_posts.mhtml?i=20060123&s=risen012306 - 51k -

...AND THIS LIST CONTINUES ON AND ON...

johann

10-13-2006, 09:26 PM

Capella, Strayer and DeVry, all mentioned in your "fake" list are all REGIONALLY ACCREDITED schools. Please do your research before you make these lists!!

Capella - North Central Assoc.
Strayer - Middle States Assoc.
DeVry - North Central Assoc.

You can verify this on their websites:

http://www.capella.edu
http://www.devry.edu
http://www.strayer.edu

I have seen "bad press" on the web for two of these schools (Capella and DeVry) from students dissatisfied for various reasons, and there has been litigation. However, they are not "fakes" or "mills" or their Regional Accreditation would have been revoked a long time ago!

Please check your facts!

Johann

Unregistered

10-17-2006, 02:36 PM

Online MBA programs – Stars and Stinkers

Bloggers continually debate the quality of colleges and universities that have online MBA programs; however, the arguments are usually more emotional than factual. My research has shown that there are both stars and stinkers in this important field of graduate study:

Morehead State University (Morehead, KY) is clearly a star. Its online MBA program is accredited by the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB), and the cost for residents and non-residents alike is a mere $990 per course.

Western Kentucky University (Bowling Green, KY) is also a star. Its online MBA program is accredited by AACSB and the tuition is only $1,173 per course.

Strayer University Online (Newington, VA) falls into the stinker category, primarily because neither its undergraduate nor its graduate business degrees are accredited by AACSB. Moreover, the tuition is $1,730 per graduate course—almost twice that of Morehead State.

University of Phoenix (Phoenix, AZ) is also a stinker. Its business degrees are not accredited by AACSB, and the tuition is $1,764 for graduate courses. Additionally, in September, 2006, the EEOC filed suit against the university for discriminating against “non-Mormon” employees.

Prospective students who wish to know more about these and other online MBA programs should go to http://www.geteducated.com/rankings/best_mbaaacsb.asp.

Olga Jacobsen

kukku

10-17-2006, 04:23 PM

Thank you very much for this information.

I were thinking of getting a degree from Almada but just wanted to confirm first incase it is worth going for, and I got this.

If anyone of you can suggest me that will be really great for me. I have no graduation degree but I have 4 years of experience in Computers and working with a good company as a web designer. It is really touch to explain how this all has happen but fact is this only. I am doing good with my job but really not happy that I am not graduate, becasue I know it will be more better if I get a degree and get a far better job anywhere I want.

I am willing to do a degree which take my less time and which is just similer to what my profession is. Like a degree in Graphis design or fine arts. And most improtantely that degree could be given seeing my current status and what I have already learned.

Do you have somehting in mind, please help.

Thank you

ShotoJuku

10-17-2006, 06:13 PM

If you are referring to almeda university - they are a fraud.

Go to www.wikipedia.org and search for almeda university there - read it for yourself....Good Luck!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeda_University

johann

10-18-2006, 12:13 AM

Hi, Kukku,

Oregon and several other states have "something in mind," as you put it, for anybody who tries to secure employment with a bogus degree ---it's called JAIL.

Face it - NO accredited school is going to hand you a degree for your experience. None. period.

What you COULD do, maybe, is start by acquiring a NA or RA Associate Degree in web design, or graphic design; both seem a good match for your work experience.

You could likely get SOME PLA-recognition credit, or credit-by-testing for what you've learned in the workplace. Either way, it's a formal process.

If you're within reach of a Community College, I'd go there first. It may be your cheapest route and best source of PLA recognition. If that's not possible, have a look at Penn Foster College - I believe they have DL Associate degree programs in both fields mentioned. Cost works out to $50-odd a credit hour, I believe. Most people finish within two years, I'm told.

That's the best I can suggest. Your Community College program might have a bit of an edge for subsequent transfer to a four-year school, if that's your aim. However, I've heard MOST Penn Foster courses are ACE-reviewed, so those that are would be good for transfer. They (Penn Foster) could easily tell you which courses in your chosen program are ACE-reviewed.

See an academic counselor somewhere local - he can give you 'WAY more advice than I can.

I wish you the best :-)

Johann

Kyle

10-18-2006, 03:01 AM

Hi I am Annie and am doing research on Almeda University. I see it is on your list of scams. How did you come to this conclusion? Thanks for your help.

You must be kidden asking this question I am sad for you for not seeing it on the first milli second you enter the site !

kukku

10-18-2006, 01:33 PM

Thank you very mush "johann". I am surely going to seek into this. I shell tell you if it moves any further or need some more of your suggetions. :)

hoosierhunter

10-19-2006, 02:39 AM

Hehe have you looked into becoming a Universal Life Minister? They also sell diplomas.

Unregistered

10-22-2006, 02:55 AM

FYI...DEVRY UNIVERSITY is a private University and it is not a FAKE!!!
They have Devry University all over mid-west and south...and I know for a fact that they are ACCREDITED University.
All schools may not be a first class but it is not up to which School you are enrolling but what kind of learner are you...are you a copy-cat? and I know many of them who hold a degree, some from very famous universities but their knowledge is a second grader!
Our forefathers, who designed everything...they did not have any "fancy" school degree...just their gift got all designees that our generation is using and enjoying.
Also, Suffield University seems to be holding some kind of accreditation because I found them on "long list" of accredited distance learning school.

BadBoy

10-22-2006, 02:32 PM

The University of Phoenix is accredited by The Higher Learning Commission and is a member of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. and on its main website it list the accrediting agency address and a link, also there is such thing as a nation wide accredited body, mostly for profit companies like corithins college get accredited through these agencies.

National accreditation is granted to specialized institutions—technical schools, health or computer related institutions, for example—that offer at least an associate degree. The national accrediting bodies recognized by the U.S. Department of Education are: Accrediting Association of Bible Colleges
Accrediting Bureau of Health Education Schools
Accrediting Commission for Career Schools/Colleges of Technology
Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools
Association of Advanced Rabbinical and Talmudic Schools
The Association of Theological Schools
Council on Occupational Education
Distance Education and Training Council

if you need more proof just go to U.S Dept of Education and they have a page to verify not only the College you go to but also the accredited agency!!!!

Mark Williams

11-01-2006, 02:52 PM

How many of us wish we could turn the hands of time back or have repeated the adage: “if I only knew twenty-years ago what I know now?”

Well, I am a Design Draftsman who started in this business when I was eighteen-years old and it was not uncommon to work with engineers and designers who never stepped a foot onto a college or university campus in their life. These professionals were phenomenal in their design talents.

On the other hand, I have worked for “highly educated” individuals who were so incompetent that they should have been fired but their ivy-league degrees protected them from such consequences leaving me to question “higher education” and how such individuals managed to complete their required courses of study in the first place.

Education and experience oscillates on a continuous cycle; companies will look at education for hiring and then the cycle changes and they will look at experience.

In 2004 I applied to Suffield University who offered a degree in engineering. I was asked to provide a thesis on my work history in addition to my college credits earned. I had achieved a total of sixty-six credit hours from two, fully accredited, institutes of higher learning; 48 from Park College, which now has a university status and 18 from Niagara County Community College.

Incidentally, Niagara County Community College did not accept twenty-four credit hours from Park College because “they didn’t know how to apply them” to the degree program I was enrolled in…a two-year community college throwing-out credit hours from a four-year college?

I could write a thesis on my career in engineering but anyone outside of my career field wouldn’t have a clue as to what I was talking about. Who else, other than another student of engineering or design, can appreciate designing, overseeing fabrication and installation of 12,000 gallon mix tanks with service platforms or completely renovating for adaptive re-use architecturally significant commercial buildings?

There is a hundred and one reasons why I never made it back to traditional college; mostly lack of money or financial assistance and yes, I love the response of; “well, I worked full time AND went to college full time.”

Bull****.

I am quite proud of my work history and dedication to my work. I am embarrassed that I did not make more money throughout my career but engineering is a fickle business.

Laugh or mock the on-line universities if you will but Suffield University et al are the modern day school of hard knocks for those of us, for one reason or another could not complete traditional education.

My advise to everyone; attend college or university IMMEDIATELY after high school because once you fall into the employment routine, returning to college is almost impossible especially if you work for a non-flexible company as-like the ones that I have been employed with throughout my career.

Unregistered

11-01-2006, 05:32 PM

4www.Breyerstate.com, is also REGIONALLY ACCREDITED, check their website

Any comments

ahmed
.QUOTE=johann;1335]Capella, Strayer and DeVry, all mentioned in your "fake" list are all REGIONALLY ACCREDITED schools. Please do your research before you make these lists!!

Capella - North Central Assoc.
Strayer - Middle States Assoc.
DeVry - North Central Assoc.

You can verify this on their websites:

http://www.capella.edu
http://www.devry.edu
http://www.strayer.edu

I have seen "bad press" on the web for two of these schools (Capella and DeVry) from students dissatisfied for various reasons, and there has been litigation. However, they are not "fakes" or "mills" or their Regional Accreditation would have been revoked a long time ago!

Please check your facts!

Johann[/QUOTE]

johann

11-01-2006, 08:29 PM

Hey -

Learn to READ before POSTING or QUOTING ME, Unregistered Ahmed!!

Breyer State is NOT Regionally Accredited! READ THEIR WEBSITE AGAIN!

They are "accredited" by something called the "Central States Consortium" that sounds like one of the "Big 6" but IS NOT!

On the same page, you will find (if you can read) the mandatory declaration that "Breyer State is NOT ACCREDITED BY AN AGENCY APPROVED BY THE U.S. D.O.E." They have to print this disclaimer or risk jail!

I won't BOTHER with a link for the Central States Consortium page. You can Google it yourself and you'll find it has a similar disclaimer -NOT APPROVED By U.S.D.O.E.

What the @*#* is your problem?

Small print?
All matters dealing with Accreditation?
Reading skills in general? :-(

Johann

Mark Williams

11-01-2006, 08:57 PM

Accreditations
Accreditation when issued properly is a validation. This validation is achieved when a group of theoretically impartial experts in higher education thoroughly investigates a school and find it worthy of approval.

In America we have a number of separate independent agencies that grant accreditation. There is no central control or authority and there are both good and bad accrediting agencies. There are also two types of accreditation—institutional and specialized. Institutional accreditors, such as those referred to as "regional" accreditors, examine the college or university as a whole educational institution. Specialized accreditors evaluate specific educational programs. Professional accreditors, such as those for medicine, law, architecture and engineering, fall into this category.

Accreditation is a voluntary process and each college or university may decide for it self if accreditation is appropriate and necessary to accomplish its education mission. For those universities that seek Federal Government educational funding, accreditation by an agency recognized by the Department of Education is required.

Accreditation can be important for the school and the student. But that importance is confused by several factors. There are no significant national standards for accreditation. The accreditation of a school in one state might not be acceptable in another state. There are seven regional accrediting agencies recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. These regional accrediting agencies carry the highest level of recognition and acceptance in the U.S.A.

The degree programs offered at Suffield University are not designed to be used for admittance to a graduate school or to meet any particular licensing or accreditation standards. If you are seeking a degree for licensing purposes, SU advises you to check with that licensing body or association to determine if that degree would be accepted.

Suffield University is international in scope, offering its degree programs to accomplished adults around the world. Accreditation by an accreditation agency recognized by the Department of Education in the US is neither warranted nor necessary to achieve its education mission. Suffield University does not seek Federal Government funding and has no need to meet this eligibility.

Suffield University has not applied for any accreditation that would be recognized by the US Department of Education. Nor would it qualify for such accreditation due to its non-traditional and non-resident international status.

The National Distance Learning Accreditation Council accredits Suffield University. N.D.L.A.C. was established as a professional accrediting association to provide employers and other interested parties with a resource to determine the acceptability of a particular degree that is granted from a nontraditional institution.

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johann

11-01-2006, 09:04 PM

Hey Mark -

This is just regurgitation of Suffield's OWN STATEMENT that it is NOT ACCREDITED by any CHEA-Recognized accreditor! The NDLAC from which it claims accreditation, has no USDOE approval whatsoever!

Suffield has been termed a "fraud" and a "mill" by others in this forum. Suffice it to say that it appears on the Oregon and other lists.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS WE'RE NOT BUYING IT!

:-(

Johann

Unregistered

11-05-2006, 06:45 PM

I cannot see how can one earn a degree without studying, and on experience only, it is clear Suffield is a degree mill. Try getting a job with a degree from Suffield, I doubt you will get any

Ahmed

Unregistered

11-09-2006, 12:10 PM

Suffield University has not applied for any accreditation that would be recognized by the US Department of Education. Nor would it qualify for such accreditation due to its non-traditional and non-resident international status.
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Non-traditional and non-resident international status is not an excuse for not being able to obtain accreditation.

University of Maryland University College has a primo non-traditional and non-resident international program. UMUC is accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (MSA), Middle States Commission on Higher Education.

Lynn

johann

11-09-2006, 11:03 PM

Hi -

I completely support your statements:

"Non-residential," "non-traditional" and "International" are no barrier to accreditation. And UMUC (RA, as you state) offers some great programs.

The "residence" of Suffield ITSELF may be problematic for accreditors, though - it seems to exist mainly in Cyberspace! The Oregon Degree list mentions Suffield "operating illegally in Connecticut" - that's the only location info I could find!

I did find a link to New Republic (2003) with stories about Florida Fire Dept. personnel claiming degrees from Suffield. Some lost jobs, others pay and promotion when the truth about the school emerged!

I guess only the non-recognized USDLAC could locate them for accreditation!

Aw, Lynn -- why should you and I waste valuable time on the likes of Suffield? We could be discussing great schools, like UMUC!

Cheers :-)

Johann

chloe2006

11-16-2006, 02:24 AM

Thanks for the list, it's very helpful. Although I was surprised to see Almeda, Capella and Devry on the list, I didn't know these were fake.

EmmaW

11-16-2006, 03:48 PM

Thanks for the list, it's very helpful. Although I was surprised to see Almeda, Capella and Devry on the list, I didn't know these were fake.

According to my knowledge, Capella is not a fake university.

ShotoJuku

11-16-2006, 07:03 PM

According to my knowledge, Capella is not a fake university.

Hmmmmm......I pulled this off of Wikipedia; can anyone else confirm?

Capella University is a private, for-profit, specialized distance learning institution of higher learning that is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools and headquartered in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

johann

11-16-2006, 09:16 PM

Yes, Brian -

As always, you are correct! (But this time, I was correct first!)

I'll confirm it -- for all -- once again. If you look at page 1 of this thread, you'll see that the original list of alleged "fakes" contained not only Capella, but also DeVry and Strayer.

My post (No. 5 - page 1) listed the accreditation:

Capella - North Central Assoc. (as you said)
DeVry - North Central Assoc.
Strayer - Middle States Assoc.

There have been other similar comments about one or more of these 3 schools being incorrectly listed as "fakes". We are ALL correct!

Cheers :-)

Johann

Unregistered

11-21-2006, 06:35 AM

ShotoJuku

11-21-2006, 01:56 PM

Hi Every one,

Can you please help me with the following. Did you ever hear of Lakehurst University. They are claiming that they are a distance learning school and their address is 5205 Leesburg Pike #208-Falls Church, VA 22041.
They are also claiming that they are an accredited school. I am having hard time finding any information about them in the net.

Thanks

When in doubt - Check them out - www.CHEA.org

Database of Institutions Accredited By Recognized
U.S. Accrediting Organizations

Search Results: 0 institutions found for 'Virginia & lakehurst university'

johann

11-21-2006, 08:16 PM

Holy Cow!

LAKEHURST, YOU SAY?

The infamous BARRINGTON, now busy morphing into "Atlanta University of Alabama" that we have discussed at length has a Middle Eastern offspring -"Barrington University Middle East" at the SAME ADDRESS as LAKEHURST AND 4 OTHER UNIVERSITIES!

They're all related, it seems.

So many universities -- so little accreditation! That's one crowded address!

(92 Sapphire Lane, Franklin Park NJ)

Maybe that's a way to defeat Osama & his boys - give 'em all Barrington degrees!

This web link has ALL THE INFO YOU NEED!

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110002879

Just scroll down to the appropriate article "Where the heck is Lakehurst U.?"

Sad indeed ... :-(

Johann

johann

11-21-2006, 08:27 PM

Hi -

The article I referred to said Lakehurst had a .edu domain because it was grandfathered under a waiver of the accreditation requirement for .edu sites operating before some date in 2001.

Well, both the .org and the .edu sites seem to be down. I also tried linking to Lakehurst from the "InterAmerican" University site www.iauniversity.net with no success. By the way, only reference I could find to the Falls Church VA address was a listing for Lakehurst University Corporation in LexisNexis "expert services" section. No indication of what "expert services" the co. provides. Hey, there's an FBI office near there, right? Maybe THEY could tell us!

Perhaps the mysterious Lakehurst U. has pulled the plug? Good idea, IMO! :-)

Johann

jacobmetro

11-21-2006, 10:30 PM

In a post by Olga Jacobsen, we discuss merits of some online MBA programs.

As a recent graduate of the Western Governors University (HLC - NWCCU, DETC), Masters of Business Administration in Information Technology Management program, I have to say that I'm very impressed.

The case studies that the students work from have been leased from such recognized MBA powerhouses as the Wharton School and Harvard. The program is NOT recognized by AACSB but instead uses a terribly intense set of final examinations to validate competancy from the Association of Certified MBAs (www.certifiedmba.com). The tests are very difficult and the pass rate was just tweaked down a notch as I was going through the program.

The online instruction takes a number of forms, from the Wasatch eLearning program, to simple NetG Learning and Thompson Learning skills programming, and on to labor-intensive Projects Demonstrating Excellence.

AS A DISCLAIMER...I AM NOT A TROLL. I AM A RECENT GRADUATE. I RECEIVE NO MONIES FROM WGU. I'VE PAID THEM QUITE A BUNDLE.

Let me give you some examples:

In undergrad, I did a secondary research project on distance and computer-aided learning for WGU. I chose my project. It took me three months and more than 10 revisions to get it in tiptop shape. Because of my excitement for the subject, my project turned out to be 97 pages in length (single spaced at 12 point non-fixed width font). The instructors provide the grading rubric, I produce work output exceeding the rubric and I pass the project. This was NOT my capstone undergrad project and project writeup (which took over six months and culminated with a product released to market). This example was simply my response to the written communications competancy set.

In my MBA program, I did a primary research project that diseccted my company business process into tiny little pieces, identified a number of process bottlenecks, noted opportunities for improvement, calculated costs and deviations among salesmen and produced recommendations. This was a company sanctioned research project which generated over 600 pages of documentation and writing over a period of a year and a half. The research write up was another 50 pages worth of background, implementation, and reflection which was then defended in a 2 hour 25 minute dissertation defense before a panel of three PhDs (my mentor, the program chair, and a third instructor picked at random). While my acual defense took about an hour and a half instead of the 2 hour and 25 minute scheduled allotment, I talked for 40 minutes and was grilled for the remainder.

I have to say that this was the most difficult program I've ever faced, so I'd rank it up there as a Star program.

Thanks for letting me have a say.

Jacob M Metro

johann

11-22-2006, 07:05 PM

Hi -

Don't EVER worry we'd consider you a troll, Jacob! We know better! WGU is a VERY good school and well-noted for its successful emphasis on competency-based learning.

I'm sure you're proud of your degree from there, as you certainly should be!

Always good to hear of another success story from an excellent school!

Cheers :-)

Johann

Humble man

11-26-2006, 03:07 AM

Apostille.com rates Suffield University degrees as recognized documents by pro bono institutions worldwide.
What sayeth thou, educated idiots?

johann

11-26-2006, 10:47 PM

Dear Lord!

There's a site that PROMOTES/SELLS Apostilles? Guess there has to be!

Even a HALF-educated idiot like me knows that these can be the tools of an overseas mill!

An APOSTILLE affixed to a degree certifies basically that the document attached is a real document. It HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE WHATSOEVER AS TO THE VALUE. A Suffield degree WITH an apostille has the same academic cachet as one WITHOUT --- ABSOLUTELY ZERO imo! It would mean to me that the holder is a recognizable phony in most countries!

It doesn't make a phony degree real - says nothing re: accreditation etc. It's just something DEGREE MILLS add to the package to make the suckers think they're getting something real when they're NOT!

Pardon my uneducated grammar - but we don't want/need no apostilles here!

ROFLMAO!

Johann

Ahmed

11-27-2006, 05:30 PM

Hi There

It is very difficult to think that such a humble person is calling others "fools"
I am sure you graduated from Suffield, as noted from your above comments, maybe you are the owner of this so-called school if we can call it that.

Back to the topic, Any fool by looking and analysing the website of this "school" can surely without any reasonable doubt conclude that this is a MILL, Diploma/Degree Mill

As Johann correctly indicated what an Aspostille is, I will not wast time reiterating those sentiments.

Thanks Humble man, sorry I meant to say humble fool

Darel

11-28-2006, 08:37 AM

Apostille is not somthing signed by the state? or by a lawyer?
If it's by a lawyer then you know what they say "Trust me I am a lier(lawyer) "

johann

11-29-2006, 05:10 PM

Hi Darel -

This is for your benefit.

Yes, an apostille is a notarized declaration that an attached document is genuine. Attached to a worthless piece of paper like a diploma mill degree, it certifies it as genuine - establishing it as a genuine worthless piece of paper.

This is not a value-added thing. It's not intended to make a good degree out of a piece of crap, sold over the Internet. Mill operators say "you can legally use apostilled degrees in many countries." BUNK! Same laws apply, with or without the apostille!

The apostille is a useful legal and business device, when properly used, enabling important documents etc. to be recognized and used in many countries.

It does NOT lend any "street cred" to BOGUS degrees!

Darel, I hope this explanation helps! :-)

Johann

Kyle

11-29-2006, 10:23 PM

This guy has been emailling degree.net about life experience degrees
I told him listen there is no such thing, you need to study and all the other colleges that offer this so call " life experience degree " are fake and just sell you a A4 Paper.

Geez after that email I was sure he would not ask me more question.
But I was wrong he sent me an email with 17 questions.
Just to give you a taste of what people who want a life experience degree really want is a show off. below is the email he send me

"It was a pleasure speaking with you I would like to know about MBA in Business Administration and Marketing degree and Bachelors Degree on the basis of work / life experience in relevant field of my interest I have finally decided to go for this degree. Please give me all the information needed I have a few questions as well, custom made. And Bachelors Degree"
1. Do I get Original Accredited Degree
2. Do I get Original Transcripts
3. Do I get Award of Excellence
4. Do I get Original Certificate
5. Do I get Original Certificate of Membership
6. Do I get Education Verification Letters
7. How many Transcripts do I get?
8. Are they signs and stamped by professors?
9. Letter of recommendation from professors?
10. Free shipping of the package?
11. Do you have graduation Ring I can purchase as well?
12. Wallet size copy of the diploma?
13. And last how much for the whole package? With any discount.
14. And it will benefit my career and will they see it is bought online?
15. How long will it take until I receive the package?
16. What documents do you need from me?
17. Please Reply A.S.A.P.

johann

11-29-2006, 10:46 PM

Kyle -

Yeah - lots of people like this guy --waste of time for us legit study-oriented people. I don't think ANY of us want to hear from these bozos --at degree.net or elsewhere in our lives.

I'm tempted to say,why not make a "sale?" Fire up your printer, charge him $5,000 and send him a home-made "package" - AND THEN PUBLISH HIS NAME -- but I won't!

I hope this jerk gets what he deserves! A job sewing mail-bags or making license plates! :-)

Johann

Ahmed

12-09-2006, 06:11 PM

One has to come to terms with the fact that it is not illegal to offer PLA degrees in the USA, so any astute and clever businessman would take advantage of this, and imagine the amount of money that someone with great marketing skills can make.

You cannot blame Almeda, and company, for offering this type of service, you have to blame the system for allowing them to operate. So, if someone "graduates" from these, you cannot call them stupid, they just have not been advised properly, or saleman at the school was very good

johann

12-10-2006, 10:55 PM

Hi Ahmed -

I mostly agree with you - it's legal etc. I also agree that it shouldn't be.

And yes, some people believe ( or profess to believe) that Almeda etc. degrees have some value.

By their beliefs shall ye know them! This makes them, imo, JERKS!

Cheers :-)

Johann

Ahmed

12-11-2006, 07:13 PM

I would agree with you, But I would'nt agree with you when you call the "graduates" jerks.
I bet you were even conned at some stage in your life? and if you were, which i am sure you were (although maybe you would'nt admit it) you can admit it we would'nt laugh at you, then is it fair to call you a jerk?lol

johann

12-13-2006, 08:20 PM

Yes Ahmed -

I guess we've all been conned. That merely makes us VICTIMS, not JERKS. Read on, for the difference!

The only entities that have "conned" me to the best of my knowledge, are people who "repaired" or sold me my various cars, large companies -such as insurance, banks and TV Cable - who have ripped me off for the same outrageous fees etc. they charge all their "marks" and a steady 50-year unending stream of lackadaisical, incompetent and sometimes grasping Canadian government officials and departments at all levels - from two Prime Ministers I have written personally, down to the lowest Municipal clerk! All this does is give me frequent-flyer VICTIM points, imo.

Now I'm sure all the above-noted felons have referred to me as a JERK, whether I resisted or went along with their games. I am confident I will be vindicated. When they die, they are all sure to burn in eternal hellfire....

(My job will likely be endless stoking of the flames, at minimum wage!)

I refer to SOME people with phony diplomas as JERKS - not because they were conned. Here is the difference between a VICTIM and a JERK. A VICTIM realizes he's been conned. A JERK refuses, in the face of clear evidence, to recognize that he/she has been conned, and continues to defend a miserable, worthless scrap of paper and claim it as a genuine credential.

This bloody-mindedness is the mark of the TRUE JERK. These people should be hiring HIT-MEN instead of touting their bad schools. And that goes double for those who persistently defend BREYER STATE!

And no, I have NEVER been conned by a degree mill or similar. I have been ridiculously overcharged, run-around and sometimes double-billed by otherwise legitimate schools - but at least the paper I got at the end was GOOD!

Strangest thing is -- the one place where I haven't been ripped off (yet) is the INTERNET. Everything I ever bought on line in the past 10 years came on-time, as-described and at a reasonable price. (No E-bay!) I guess my day is coming!

I will continue to call a JERK a JERK. I myself have been called FAR worse --and SOME of the people who did the calling are still alive and well! :-)

Johann

Ahmed

12-14-2006, 07:41 PM

Lets see if I got this right:

A jerk is someone that touts his school, like breyer state, and a victim is someone that has been conned by an insurance company, or someone else and only relises it when he is +/-60 years old.

so, so isnt a jerk a victim of the system?

johann

12-15-2006, 01:35 AM

VICTIMS are people who paid money to a bad school - were conned, found out and now their money is gone. They realize they were conned and that anything (diploma etc) they got from the place is worthless. End of story.

JERKS are people who did the same thing but won't face the fact they were conned. They still run around telling people their Almeda, Suffield (or Breyer State) degrees are valid and wonderful credentials.

That's the difference between a victim and a jerk. One realizes he/she was conned. The other (jerk) refuses to believe or admit that he/she was conned.

ARE WE CLEAR NOW? A JERK is simply a victim who claims he/she isn't!

Johann

BTW - any time I got conned, I usually realized it right then or soon after. No sudden wakeups at 60+! Lord, one of those could KILL me! :-)

RAASHI

12-17-2006, 08:39 AM

I AM STUDYING IN ALMEDA UNIVERSITY WHAT I WILL DO IF IT IS FAKE IF SOME ONE READ THIS MASSAGE PLEASE HELP ME.As mentioned before in this forum, the following list are NON - Accredited institute and their degree is useless:

Almeda University - Fake / Scam
Ashwood University - FAKE
Beflord University - Fake / Scam
Breyerstate University - FAKE
Devry University- FAKE
Dublin University - Fake / Scam
Ashwood University - Fake / Scam
Capella University - FAKE
Redding University - FAKE
Rochville University - FAKE
Rushmore University - Holding an .EDU domain STILL FAKE / Scam.
Strayer Univeristy- FAKE
Suffield University - Fake / Scam

Custom Degrees - Fake / Scam
Affordable degrees - Fake / Scam

Speed Degrees ( Running same as belford and ashwood owners) - Fake / Scam

DO NOT APPLY FOR YOUR OWN SAKE!

RAASHI

12-17-2006, 08:44 AM

Please Suggest Some Way To Do Some Thing I Dont Have Money For Further Study I Alrady Took Lone For Study Please Help.i Am Very Junior To This Field

Ahmed

12-17-2006, 11:54 AM

Raashi

Bad mistake to take a loan for Almeda, anyways the damage is done, I would suggest you finish at Almeda (although the degree will not have much that I cant do for you).

Then, what is you field of study, then we could look at some alternative cheap place where you could continue, I am sure you will be able to afford, and in what country are you? so we could compare currencies, for the cheapest recognized degree.

Thanks

Ahmed

12-17-2006, 11:55 AM

Raashi
Some of the universities are not fake as the author listed, but may be sub-standard

Ahmed

12-17-2006, 11:57 AM

Johann

Thanks for the advice
Now its clear what is a jerk and what is a victim
See, you learn different things everyday

johann

12-17-2006, 11:07 PM

Raashi -

I think you're having a joke on us here. Your English "mistakes" do not appear to be the normal ones of someone in the early stages of learning English.

It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong. I'm not going over the Almeda mess again - you can read it all in the forum postings. I'm also sure you're not "studying" at Almeda. Nobody does. The place is a fake -you send them money, they send you a degree.

Ahmed - That's NOT very good advice, considering Raashi SAYS he's studying there, but he isn't. Nobody does - he's probably just waiting for the mail to arrive.

Raashi, I think you're a shill for Almeda and whether you are or not, I don't care if you wait one day or forever for your LaMerda crap degree. An empty mailbox contains the same value as one stuffed with these worthless degrees.

WHY OH WHY MUST WE DISCUSS THESE WORTHLESS WORTHLESS SCHOOLS AD INFINITUM? I'M TRYING TO GET SOME GOOD STUFF IN HERE GUYS - AND SOME OF YOU AIN'T HELPING! :-(

Johann

Ahmed

12-18-2006, 07:22 PM

Hi
OK, i mentioned finish your studies, because Raashi said he is busy studying at Almeda, so anyone like myself would assume that Raashi, is sitting every evening with his very thick textbooks and studying for an exam. Since there is no studies at Almeda, stop your credit card, or tell the bank it was fraudulently used at Almeda, and you dont know who the culprit is that used your card.

Johann is right (again),Almeda life degrees, have no value, the post box, has more value than the Almeda degree, it can aleast be sold for scrap metal.

Take the advice, take your money and run, very far from Almeda.

Brian

12-18-2006, 08:54 PM

No i am sorry but you can't learn anything outside of college right? Life experience can teach us!

johann

12-18-2006, 10:22 PM

Ahmed -

The bank will find out the truth. I know. I'm retired after 30 years in the credit card business, including a stint in fraud investigation. Numerous customers attempt to "play games" saying they didn't buy such and such.

It usually goes VERY VERY badly for liars...as it should.

What I think the bank should do is RESCIND ANY CARD IMMEDIATELY if it's used at some place like La Merda University, as I like to call it. (If you're unfamiliar with that word, merda, look it up in any on-line Italian or Spanish dictionary.)

Some card issuers yank the card if it's used for on-line gambling. I think they should add degree mills to their list. A MORON with a credit card is a dangerous combination! :-(

Johann

johann

12-18-2006, 10:37 PM

Brian -

Sure you can learn stuff outside of college! You may even learn to READ someday! Didn't you notice this forum is called D_E_G_R_E_E_.N_E_T?

That means we talk about college here, right?

Yep. That's what the forum is for and what we want to talk about.

So if you don't LIKE talking about colleges and universities - and you obviously DON'T - then why not take your anti-formal-education attitude with you and surf to someplace that will hear and identify with your point of view.

Maybe there's a "nodegree.net" or a "fakedegree.net" or "burnthecolleges.org" that you'd like. In fact I know of a guy whose forum name is Thomas Kolter, who feels the same way as you, who started a Google or Yahoo group called "fakedegreesarefun" or something like that. Here's a sample!

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.education.distance/browse_thread/thread/e3b903ebbaa423b6/8d42d556a6128850?hl=en#8d42d556a6128850

If you like him, Google his name and you'll likely find his long thread at degreeinfo and that will lead you to his exact group. You're obviously two of a kind.

No need for thanks -- you're entirely welcome. :-)

Johann

Ahmed

12-19-2006, 10:43 PM

Some people love Life degrees, like other like normal degrees

johann

12-20-2006, 08:26 PM

Hi Ahmed

That's true, but I don't want to have to waste time with them IN THIS FORUM. I'd rather discuss good schools. There's a place for such fakery but NOT HERE! The proper place is in company with others who share that view.

That's why I gave the links to ThomasKolter as he calls himself, who runs the "fakedegreesarefun" group, and THIS one, which I think is the most fitting of all:

http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm.

Gotta get out on patrol, now. My radio is crackling -- looks like someone's applied to La Merda again! Where'd I leave my darn 9mm pistol --and my bifocals?

Cheers :-)

Superintendent Johann of the Degree Mill Police

pauline

12-20-2006, 09:48 PM

I guess if you have rochville on your lsit its a fake one?

Ahmed

12-20-2006, 09:59 PM

lol, I cop that forgot his gun, thats not a very good cop.

Back to the topic, I think we should discuss good schools here, and start another forum for fake degrees and novelty degrees only.

It is the fake one Paulina

johann

12-22-2006, 12:55 AM

Hi Ahmed -

Never said I was GOOD. But bifocals and a 9MM are a dangerous combo. Degree mill operators usually try to stay out of my range!

Cheers :-)

And yes - Rochville, Roachville - 100% fake school. Paulina, save your money!

Supt. Johann (should have retired from Degree police long ago!)

Ahmed

12-25-2006, 08:47 PM

happy Holidays Johann, and keep the 9mm a safe distance from me

Ahmed

12-25-2006, 08:56 PM

happy Holidays Johann, and keep the 9mm a safe distance from me

johann

12-26-2006, 02:44 AM

Hi Ahmed -

I wish you peace and joy in this season, my friend! Don't worry about the 9mm.

(a) It doesn't exist!
(b) If it did, I'd get rid of it! I detest the blerry things...nothing good comes of 'em!

Peace :-)

Johann

Ahmed

12-27-2006, 08:01 PM

thank god it dont exist, imagine the damage you would y

Ahmed

12-27-2006, 08:02 PM

thank god it dont exist, imagine the damage you would do

alex_weiss06

01-02-2007, 04:33 PM

Rushmore University - Holding an .EDU domain STILL FAKE / Scam.

I was very surprised you said that Rushmore University is "fake". But are you sure?
I found out from their website (with .edu) thay have many quite famous professors who have published business books and sell in amazon.com like

http://www.rushmore.edu/professors.htm

Lee Hargrave, MBA
John "Les" Livingstone, Ph.D., CPA
Donald Mitchell, J.D.
Tom Lambert
Philip Crosby
Patrick (Pat) Robinson

Hope you can clarify this.

Alex

Ahmed

01-02-2007, 08:29 PM

Heres a little more about Rushmore:
Rushmore University is an unaccredited institution of higher learning on the Cayman Islands. The Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization has no evidence that this is an accredited or otherwise acceptable provider of postsecondary education meeting Oregon standards. Oregon states this supplier to be substandard unless each degree program is evaluated in detail by an external evaluator acceptable to ODA.

Rushmore was started in South Dakota by Michael Cox in 1996. As of June 4, 2006 it has a mailing address in the Cayman Islands.

Accreditation: Rushmore has claimed approval from a variety of agencies, none of them recognized by the United States Department of Education (USDE) or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation(CHEA).[2]. As of June 2, 2006, the website states that Rushmore has "independent accreditation" but names no agency or organization that has awarded this accreditation.

Seems like a mill

Ahmed

01-02-2007, 08:38 PM

johann

01-03-2007, 01:20 AM

Hi -

Yeah, they make it sound good, don't they? The guy that owns it has done a SUPERB marketing job and no doubt done VERY well for himself, considering he started the school in a room in his house!

The downside is, a Rushmore degree is on all the states' unaccredited lists, so how in heck do you use it in the job market?

See this site: http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

If you NEED a degree (job reasons) you NEED one with accreditation.

If you just WANT one, for fun and enjoyment (and you will definitely learn something - how much depends largely on you) then spend 10 grand on Rushmore. You could do worse.

Johann

alex_weiss06

01-03-2007, 03:01 PM

Hi I am Annie and am doing research on Almeda University. I see it is on your list of scams. How did you come to this conclusion? Thanks for your help.

I guess you must be joking.
No double Almeda is a diploma mill.
So what kind of research are you doing? Please share with us:rolleyes:

alex_weiss06

01-03-2007, 03:06 PM

you NEED a degree (job reasons) you NEED one with accreditation.

If you just WANT one, for fun and enjoyment (and you will definitely learn something - how much depends largely on you) then spend 10 grand on Rushmore. You could do worse.

Johann

To some extent, I could agree with you but for sure they are not diploma mill.
The have many excellent students graduated from there. One of them is Dr Fukushima who graduated from Rushmore University.:D
http://www.hiroshi-fukushi.com/

ShotoJuku

01-03-2007, 03:56 PM

To some extent, I could agree with you but for sure they are not diploma mill.
The have many excellent students graduated from there. One of them is Dr Fukushima who graduated from Rushmore University.:D
http://www.hiroshi-fukushi.com/

Rushmore University is an unaccredited institution of higher learning on the Cayman Islands. The Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization has no evidence that this is an accredited or otherwise acceptable provider of postsecondary education meeting Oregon standards. Oregon employers should consider degrees from this supplier to be substandard unless each degree program is evaluated in detail by an external evaluator acceptable to ODA.

Rushmore was started in South Dakota by Michael Cox in 1996. As of June 4, 2006 it has a mailing address in the Cayman Islands.

Rushmore has claimed approval from a variety of agencies, none of them recognized by the United States Department of Education (USDE) or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation(CHEA).

As of June 2, 2006, the website states that Rushmore has "independent accreditation" but names no agency or organization that has awarded this accreditation.

In conclusion - they are indeed a diploma mill.

alex_weiss06

01-03-2007, 04:15 PM

In conclusion - they are indeed a diploma mill.

I guess before you can make that conclusion, first of all you must know what is the definition of "diploma mill".

According to wikipedia, "diploma mill" is defined as is an organization that awards academic degrees and diplomas with very little or no academic study, and without recognition by official accrediting bodies. These degrees are often awarded based on life (or work) experience. Example of diploma mills are Ashwood, Almeda (just to name a few).

In other hand, Rushmore does not sell degrees and diplomas based on life (or work) experience but you have to go through a well structure learning program.
Example of research course can be referred to below link:
http://www.rushmore.edu/research.htm

So in conclusion, Rushmore is an uncreadited institution but it is not a diploma mill as you claimed.

If you disagree with my view, feel free to comment.:rolleyes:

Ahmed

01-03-2007, 08:08 PM

I think we went through this before, the place Rushmore, rushmore:
I quote from their website:

"Our programs are writing-based and have no exams or required courses"

If a so called school dont require exams or courses, then what is it a 'mill' 'university'?

Alex you answer that

robbie31770

01-04-2007, 12:47 AM

I am studying through Ashworth College, I went to Niagara County Community College to apply to be a social worker. I passed everything else
but math but I am not an algebra expert, I can only do the math I was taught
and I am in a third/fourth grade math level, I have a learning disability but school psychologists said that I was borderline mentally retarded, but I was mislabeled. My sister isn't good at math doesn't mean she's a retard. Any way
because I got an IEP diploma I went through vesid and the VESID counselor told me I would never be college material. That pissed me off! And even though I graduated, around here you have to have a GED even though you
graduated with your class, you still have to go for a GED because it is not
as equal as a regents or regular diploma. So In March of 2005 I signed up for
Ashworth college but I checked accreditations and it is Nationally and Socially accredited so I am going through that program and I passing faithfully
I am about to get off this computer and study. I am studying for a degree in Psychology.

Ahmed

01-04-2007, 07:06 PM

Robbie, you dont have to worry we have quiet a few retards here, so you will feel at home.
Back to work, very glad you graduated, since you are studying Psychology, maybe you can help. I get headaches when I study, what do you recommend

alex_weiss06

01-06-2007, 04:12 PM

Here is what Rushmore say, and I quote:
"Some companies who pay the tuition for an employee's traditional Bachelor's, MBA /Master's or DBA, Ph.D. or other Doctoral program may initially refuse to pay for a unique program such as ours"

Now, ask yourself which employer will refuse to pay for their employees, if this education will benefit the company and the employee.

They know they are a mill, but they would'nt say it directly

I guess it is unfair to claim they are diploma mill.
Why don't we ask Dr. Fukushima to share his experience about Rushmore?
We can also ask him if Rushmore is a diploma mill or not.:p

Ahmed

01-08-2007, 07:53 PM

I dont know how many times must we say the same thing over, and over, over.

Rushmore, and any other so called "schools" where there is no traditional studies. IS A MILL

No normal employer, in his or her right senses, university, college, will except that paper from Ruhmore. save your money and print your own degree

Ahmed

01-08-2007, 07:55 PM

Dr, Fukushima will claim its accredited because he wants customers.
Its like asking a drug dealer "is drugs good for you" obviously he will say yes.

Rushmore is so expensive, you could go to an RA place with that money, and some even cheaper

online degrees

01-12-2007, 06:10 AM

online degrees

01-12-2007, 06:35 AM

My research on many many sites has been quite the same; after great time or length searching for fees, programs, online accomodations, and accreditations, I hadn't yet come across honesty. Although depressed because it interrupted my trance-like fantasy of what life could be like with a degree that seemed to be a perfect fit for me...

http://www.saintleo.edu/resources/docs/ac_student_catalog_06_07.pdf

Saint Leo University

The University was chartered on June 4, 1889. Saint Leo University was the first Catholic college in
Florida. Operating first on the associate’s level, the college moved quickly to a four-year program
and began to again confer bachelor’s degrees on April 23, 1967. It was accredited by the Southern
Association of Colleges and Schools on November 29, 1967, retroactive to include the charter bachelor of arts class.

In December 1994, the University was accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Universities to offer the master’s degree.

Saint Leo University is accredited by the:

Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097; telephone number 404-679-4501) to award the associate’s, bachelor’s and master’s degrees.

Saint Leo University’s School of Business received initial accreditation by the International
Assembly for Collegiate Business Education (IACBE) in September 1999.

Saint Leo University’s degree program in social work is accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of the Council on Social Work Education (BSW Level).

Saint Leo University has Teacher Education Programs approval by the State of Florida Department of Education.

Saint Leo University holds membership in the :

American Council on Education (ACE),
Association of Governing Boards of Universities and Colleges,
Independent Colleges and Universities of Florida (ICUF),
The American Association of Adult and Continuing Education,
the National Collegiate Honor Society,
the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities,
the University Continuing Education Association (UCEA),
the National Association of Institutions for Military Education Services (NAIMES),
Service members Opportunity Colleges,
National Catholic Education Association
and the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities.

Saint Leo University is licensed by the Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission organized under
the Georgia Department of Education. Address: 2189 Northlake Parkway, Building 10, Suite 100, Tucker, GA 30084-4113. Telephone: (770) 414-3300.

Saint Leo University Shaw Center, South Carolina.
Licensed by the South Carolina Commission on Higher Education, 1333 Main Street Suite 200, Columbia, SC 29201, Telephone: (803) 737-2260.

Licensure indicates only that minimum standards have been met; and it is not equal to or synonymous with accreditation by an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

The State Council of Higher Education in Virginia (SCHEV) has certified Saint Leo University (33701
State Road 52, PO Box 666, Saint Leo, FL 33574-6665) to operate in Virginia. (Fort Eustis Center, U.S. Army Education Center, 1500 Madison Avenue, PO Box 4326,Fort Eustis, VA 23604; Fort Lee Center, Building 8035 Bishop Loop, P O Box 5220, Fort Lee VA 23801-0220; Langley Center, P O Box 65519, Langley AFB VA 23665; and South Hampton Roads Center, Naval Amphibious Base, 1481 D. Street, Bldg 3016, Norfolk, VA 23521-2498).

ShotoJuku

01-12-2007, 01:34 PM

Ahmed

01-12-2007, 07:16 PM

Excellent school, expensive though

D02833651

03-01-2007, 04:30 PM

Who ever is looking to join Devry/Keller's online program please donot think of that, there system is extremely complex, no help for Students, all they are doing is making money for Degree.I should say NCA or the educational authorities should cancel there Affiliation and accredential at least for online courses offered.

I paid $1267+ to a collection agency to get Rid of the charges posted to my public record. I dropped the course because there system is very difficult teacher ( Mark Revel) not helpful at all, no system to notify a student about online course activities, Tree layout discussion forum with no sorting and searching a collection of text impossible to read and traverse, posting of result is too late for a person to decide to drop. they know all ways to make money.

Professor Mark Revel worst teacher i met in last 22 years of my educational experience

Advisor Stephen Mitchell - Sweetest Lier on planet.
Paul Harry (In Collection) Nice person sympathizing but cannot help.

Wish they should themselves have taken this online degree courses or there kids should.

Who ever ate this $1200.00 of my hard earned money I pray from my heart they and there kids die spitting blood with no one to help them as well.

Read more about this on other websites as well.

Student ID at Devry : D02833651.

Ahmed

03-01-2007, 07:30 PM

D02833651.

I feel very sorry for you seemily very bad experience that you had at Devry, I would suggest you take your case to a consumer court or consumer council

Good luck

EnrollmentWizard

03-14-2007, 01:08 AM

EnrollmentWizard

03-14-2007, 01:45 AM

As mentioned before in this forum, the following list are NON - Accredited institute and their degree is useless:

Almeda University - Fake / Scam
Ashwood University - FAKE
Beflord University - Fake / Scam
Breyerstate University - FAKE
Devry University- FAKE
Dublin University - Fake / Scam
Ashwood University - Fake / Scam
Capella University - FAKE
Redding University - FAKE
Rochville University - FAKE
Rushmore University - Holding an .EDU domain STILL FAKE / Scam.
Strayer Univeristy- FAKE
Suffield University - Fake / Scam

Custom Degrees - Fake / Scam
Affordable degrees - Fake / Scam

Speed Degrees ( Running same as belford and ashwood owners) - Fake / Scam

DO NOT APPLY FOR YOUR OWN SAKE!

I used the site CHEA.org for my list

Almeda University - It's true...it's a fake.
Ashwood University - It's a deploma mill.
Beflord University - Fake / Scam
Breyerstate University - FAKE
Devry University- Holds a regional accredition with the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools
Dublin University - I couldn't fine anything on Dublin University by that spelling, but there is a University of Dublin in Ierland.
Capella University - Holds a regional accredition with the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, oh, and my girlfriend is enrolled there now for her Masters
Redding University - FAKE
Rochville University - FAKE
Rushmore University - Holding an .EDU domain STILL FAKE / Scam.
Strayer Univeristy- Also has a regional accreditation with the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools
Suffield University - Fake / Scam

Folks, use the website that I used...make sure that any school you are thinking of attending is regionally accredited...NOT NATIONAL. Schools that hold a regional accredition are...Harvard, Yale, DePaul, Prinston, Your local State schools, and even your local Community Colleges are regionally accredited.

Most schools that hold a National accredition are trade school. Some colleges and universities hold this accreditation, such as Ashworth (Not Ashwood as listed above), or Westwood. Both are pretty good school, but sadly, because they have the lower accreditation, that may hurt you when looking for a job.

Tommy

03-14-2007, 03:47 AM

is it scam / fake university, i just come across this university..
as my friend just complete his degreee on that university..

please advise

ShotoJuku

03-14-2007, 10:30 AM

is it scam / fake university, i just come across this university..
as my friend just complete his degreee on that university..

please advise

.....SCAM!!!

alex_weiss06

03-14-2007, 04:43 PM

I used the site CHEA.org for my list
Rushmore University - Holding an .EDU domain STILL FAKE / Scam.

I'm not sure if you statement "still fake/scam" is true?:rolleyes:
Usually if the university is fake or diploma mill, there is no any .edu.
Moreover there are many star professors like Donald Mitchell, Tom Lambert, Alan Guinn...etc.
You can contact Rushmore University to find out more detail.
AW:cool:

Kyle

03-14-2007, 04:53 PM

Tommy

03-15-2007, 07:27 AM

You mean SPU is a scam !!! why it is still operating ??

I cannot find any registeration in US Gov

alex_weiss06

03-17-2007, 03:49 PM

Nothing to do with .EDU what happened is that new .EDU domains are accredited but old ( before 1996 ) can have an .edu domain without accredidation.
and because they received it before 1996 they cannot be deleted and some unaccredited schools (not all) have an .edu domain.

Ignore the fact the it's just a domain name and it does not say anything. it's not like an accredidation agency.

So far nobody in this board can prove that Rushmore University is a diploma mill. In fact I would say it is not a diploma mill but just unaccreadiated institution. If Rushomore is a diploma mill, I do not think those star professors would like to associate themselves with this Rushmore.
In fact one of their star professor is Prof. Mitchell, author with 3 business book best seller. He was graduated from Harvard and also one of the top book reviewer in Amazon. See below related links:

http://www.rushmore.edu/professors.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/top-reviewers.html/ref=cm_aya_bb_tr/102-1650776-3652141

johann

03-19-2007, 08:49 PM

Hi -

Don't you guys READ? We've gone through the Rushmore thing in detail before. NOBODY except the original poster called it a 'fake' or 'mill' - everybody knows you do have to do some work for a Rushmore degree.

The school is, as you say, unaccredited. As such, it's on the Oregon (and most other) State Lists. That makes a Rushmore degree not-very-useful, for employment purposes. In fact, it's a misdemeanor in several jurisdictions to use an unaccredited degree in the hope of gaining employment.

This does not make Rushmore itself illegal. It just means their degrees have limited utility, compared to those of accredited schools.

As to the professors, I'm sure their relationships with Rushmore are profitable, and they, too, are doing nothing illegal. Their business acumen has shown each of them "where the real money is" and I guess they are at peace with their personal decisions to teach for Rushmore.

Here are a couple of 'takes' on the street-cred of a Rushmore degree that we've cited before in this forum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushmore_University

http://econopinion.blogspot.com/2005/06/9899-tuition-for-worthless-degree.html

Now, have we FINALLY followed this Rushmore thing to the end? :-)

Johann

Kyle

03-19-2007, 09:26 PM

I think I can guess the problem here, people want to believe that the Diploma is real and they can earn an accredited degree within 30 days, 14 days.

It's easy to believe in something that you really want, If I now publish an article saying an 11 year old genius fond a cure for HIV ( AIDS ) how many will believe it? my guess a lot.

My experience
I wanted a second hand car Peugeot 206cc, The guy told me it is in mint condition and the price is 10% less because he is going overseas and he just want to sell it and not argue.

So I took it to my Mechanic and he said look the car is in bad condition and pointed out what needs to be changed.

A few words from the guy that is selling the car, and I was convince that the car is VERY well kept.

Luckily for me, my brother was not as enthusiastic and after arguing with me, for a few hours I started slowly to understand that the car is in bad condition and I did not go with the purchase.

What I am trying to say here. that our mind play games with us when we want something.

Now I think after 95 posts & 50% of them telling you guys it's a ripoff
My only conclusion is
I think you should go & buy a diploma mill from "Rushmore University. Is an unaccredited institution of higher learning on the Cayman Islands."

http://online.degree.net/Iwantheworld.jpg

johann

03-19-2007, 09:49 PM

Hi Kyle -

Yes, I think we're hearing from some people who might like the idea of buying a degree that they can have within 30 days. And you and I KNOW what kind of school that is --- I can see the blades turning in the wind, grinding out diplomas inside!!

I also see the point of your car story -very apt. But wait a minnit - Peugeot 206 cc? That's small for a MOTORCYCLE! I know they've got some TINY one-and-two cylinder mini-cars in Europe around 500cc like AIXAM - big sellers in France and Italy - but 200cc?

Did you maybe mean 2000 or 2600?

Getting back to Rushmore - Yes it is unaccredited, domiciled in the Caymans as you say, and it originated in the owner's basement from what I hear. I wouldn't want a Rushmore degree myself -ever. But it's NOT a degree-in-30-days school. You actually have to do some work. How much work (and to what standard) is a source of argument, but you can't just BUY an instant degree, as you can with Almeda/LaMerda or Belford etc.

Just saying this to keep things straight -not to make these schools right! To me, Almeda and Rushmore are different from each other. One is absolutely worthless - the other, well, uh...less worthless, IMO. I personally won't be sending either one a dime.

Cheers :-)

Johann

Kyle

03-19-2007, 09:57 PM

johann

03-19-2007, 10:44 PM

Thanks, Kyle -

That is a really neat car - we had a few Peugeot dealers in Canada last I looked and I'm gonna check it out!

As far as Rushmore is concerned, your experience comes as a complete surprise to me! If that's the way they do business, then I understand your comment about them being worse than Almeda!

Lord, it's difficult to imagine a worse um... school than Almeda! :-(

Johann

P.S. Whoops! "Last time I looked" must have been in the 80s! No Peugeot sales in North America for 17 years!! :-(

Kyle

03-20-2007, 01:01 AM

LOL it's a French car. it has lots of problems. and it cost your other hand and leg to fix it :) But it gets chicks .
if you are thinking of getting a french car better go on the new model 307CC she is a beauty

alex_weiss06

03-20-2007, 04:29 PM

I think you should go & buy a diploma mill from "Rushmore University. Is an unaccredited institution of higher learning on the Cayman Islands."

So far, I only heard all the negative aspects about Rushmore.
What about the positive side?:rolleyes:
Please tell me anyone of you who claim yourselves who have attended an accreadited university, have you ever published a book?:confused:

Please look at the Rushmore's gradutes who are very successful and the most important they have published their own books and sell in Amazon.
See below link::shock:
http://www.rushmore.edu/professors/associate.htm

alex_weiss06

03-20-2007, 04:43 PM

Hey Johann,
206cc is the model name it has a bigger engine ( 1,600 )
I don't want to go off topics but here is a picture of my car http://online.degree.net/206CC.jpg
Don't know the prices in the U.S but here it cost a hand and a leg.

By the way I think Rushmore is even worse than Almeda if you fill up the form in rushmore website they will call you up and ask you if you want the degree in 30 days.
at least almeda tell you straight to you face it is a scam.

This is totally nonsense!
I guess you are deliberately to tarnish the reputation of Rushmore.
Rushmore do not sell diploma as far as I know.
I have a friend who is pursuing a PhD program in business that reuqire him at least three years to complete the course.
He has to go through a very rigorous written assignment with total of 60 creadits.

Before making any allegation against Rushmore, please show your proof or evidences if Rushmore is a diploma mill. :rolleyes:

Kyle

03-20-2007, 08:22 PM

I need to show proof? They need to show proof that they are not a Diploma mill.

Alex, for you information they use to mass advertise in google ad-word earn a degree in 5 days no exams, no courses.

alex_weiss06

03-23-2007, 04:12 PM

I need to show proof? They need to show proof that they are not a Diploma mill.

Alex, for you information they use to mass advertise in google ad-word earn a degree in 5 days no exams, no courses.

Rushmore had already proved to the world by showing the star professors and also the oustanding students who have published their books and sell them in amazon.com.:p

By the way have you published any book?:confused:

johann

03-25-2007, 04:23 PM

Hi Kyle -

As you know, I don't usually favour unaccredited schools. A few are OK but I think many of them are forgettable, value-wise. But here I am, asking if you're sure about Rushmore...

I don't want you to think I particularly like the school, because I don't. I believe it originated in the founder's home (basement office) and charges quite a lot of money for unaccredited degrees, the value of which is dubious enough to put them on State lists. Yes, it's an offshore corporation, too...

And yes, they have some well-known professors on staff and I'm sure these people are comfortable lending their names to this school for large sums of money. I have nothing against them, but I still believe in the reports that tell me the Rushmore educational product is substandard, academically. Here again is a link that supports that view...

http://econopinion.blogspot.com/2005/06/9899-tuition-for-worthless-degree.html

BUT EVEN SO -- I've never heard from ANYONE else but you that Rushmore is a mill, offering degrees in 30 days...

Yes, I know there were Rushmore ads on Google sidebars, along with ads for instantdegrees.com or similar degrees-in-5-days outfits. But these were separate ads - one for Rushmore, one or two for the mill-places. As I recall, the Rushmore ads themselves were NOT offering any kind of instant degrees -ever!

You mentioned a phone call to Rushmore that included an offer of a degree in 30 days. Did you make that call yourself? I ask, because I've never heard this practice ascribed to Rushmore before --and I've read a lot of press, good and bad about the school.

Summary: All I'm asking here is - are you SURE it's as bad as you said? (Instant or 30 day degrees.)

Thanks :-)

Johann

Kyle

03-25-2007, 04:52 PM

dipmill

03-26-2007, 05:27 AM

hi guys,

i am new at this forum. i still finding my way around....^^

can anyone give me an info about instantdegree.com

thanks

dipmill

johann

03-26-2007, 08:01 PM

Hi -

Anybody using the handle "DIPMILL" knows all there is to know about www.instantdegrees.com. Do you think you can kid us?

Here's the link to our very recent thread on this SAD place.

http://online.degree.net/showthread.php?t=253&page=2

There! I hope this is the LAST time we ever have to deal with this CRAP in the forum! If you can't discuss something better than this, then LEAVE US ALONE! :-(

Johann

alex_weiss06

03-28-2007, 03:07 PM

I am on my way to hong kong ( at the air port now ) I will get back and I will research I am sure I saw an advertisment in google adword earning a degree in 5 days from rushmore last year I am almost positive it directed it to rushmore website.

I maybe mistaking but as said I will give them a call once I am back home at the end of the month.

If Rushomre is a mill, I would not think those star professors would teach at that institution. For example one of the highly regards prof.-Prof Laurence Leigh. see his CV.:cool:
http://www.rushmore.edu/documents/cv/leigh.htm

Currently he teaches at Suliman S. Olayan School of Business
http://sb-lb.aub.edu.lb/Faculty/cva.asp?fid=306

Author211

03-30-2007, 06:35 PM

If you want to see who is accredited and by which Dept of Education recognized "Accrediting Institution," use this Dept. of Ed link:
http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.asp

The comment about being or not being accredited by AACSB I find interesting inasmuch as according to this Dept of Ed link, AACSB "used" to be recognized by DOE. (Still is recognized by CHEA.) Apparently ain't no more but I could be wrong. (didn't research extensively cuz don't really care.)
http://www.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/hiedfuture/reports/recognized-organizations.pdf

Also, as mentioned, several of the "not accredited" schools, according to someone, are, in fact, accredited. I suppose you could apply to "Dublin" (from the "bad" list) because there is an accredited "Dublin" but since it's a Fed Pen. you might have difficulties getting along with the rest of the student body. (Then again, you might not!)

As said numerous times on this site, do your own research and don't depend on ANY individual's postings here (or anywhere) especially the school site, and don't buy any accrediting organization just because they have a fancy name.

Start your accrediting background investigation at the DOE site.

Get good grades.

And lots of sleep. (nite JohnBoy!)

johann

03-30-2007, 07:47 PM

Hi -

In your own words, you "don't really care." Then why do you WRITE about the subject? You're obviously writing about something you don't know! And the Dublin joke was lame. We're discussing schools here. As far as I know, accreditation of a Federal Pen. is neither DOE nor CHEA's area.

AACSB accreditation applies to business programs only and is in ADDITION to the school's overall RA accreditation - and many people look for this as a standard when they want a business degree. There is LOTS of active discussion by knowledgeable posters about AACSB and its value on other boards. I doubt you've seen it, though.

As a final point, I don't much care for your comment about "don't believe any of the postings in this forum." Some of us, myself included, do their best to provide reliable, researched information for those who seek it. We shouldn't have to put up with slagging and trivial remarks from some dilettante who "doesn't really care," as you put it!

Stick to what you know - Federal Pens or whatever that may be. :-(

Johann

Ahmed

04-04-2007, 05:53 PM

Hi All

I think I read somewhere that Rushmore has vigorous courses, with loads of study and books. I quote from www.Rushmore.edu:

"Our programs are writing-based and have no exams or required courses. Our star professors will use our version of the Oxford tutorial method to work with you one-on-one to help you design and complete your custom program. Our editors will help you improve your writing whether English is your first or second language."

Now, I dont know how can anyone claim, the courses at this place is vigorous. If they is no-courses, then can anyone explain to me what is this place, then it must be equivalent to Oxford, or Unisa. WHich I very much doubt.

And, If my memory serves me well, this place has been bashed many times before. In my opinion: without any doubt, definately a MILL.

A "degree" from Rushmore will not be recognised in any decent company or country, so do some homework before you consider this er school

Dr. Ahmed

johann

04-04-2007, 07:42 PM

Hi Ahmed!

I think you mean rigorous, as in stiff, or challenging. (In Latin, rigor is stiffness, as in "rigor mortis" -that's where we get the word "rigorous" from.)

"Vigorous" means energetic - as if they held classes in the open air and you got to climb mountains, LOL!

Aside from that, Rushmore's ads mean that there isn't a STANDARD SET of REQUIRED classes for each degree, not that there are NO classes! As I understand it, at Rushmore you'd be assigned different work depending on the particular major area of study - the person into finance will read different books and do different writing from the marketing major, etc.

I don't want to go to Rushmore. Smarter people than me consider their degrees substandard. For Rushmore's fees, I could earn a degree from a school that confers credentials of higher perceived value -like Milpark! That said, I disagree with both you and Kyle, when you tag Rushmore as a mill. Students DO coursework here, as far as I know, and I have heard only ONE unsubstantiated claim that they confer degrees without study. Unless that claim can be substantiated, I'll consider it fiction.

Ahmed, I think you have jumped to conclusions on this, without using the research skills with which your Breyer State Doctorate has no doubt endowed you!

You should read more diligently! Cheers! :-)

Johann

Ahmed

04-04-2007, 08:27 PM

hI aLL

Firstly, I am very surprised at the radical shift of Mr. Johann from a radical follower of accredited degrees to a moderate, begginning to accept unaccredited degrees (I could be wrong on this one, please clarify your standpoint Johann).

I dont want to crucify Rushmore here, I think that has been done many times before, it is just difficult to understand how a school could have a different curriculum for every student, and then, giving them the opportunity to write a book, without going through any courses.

Its like doing an MBA, but only doing the dissertation, and then getting a degree. It dont work that way. One has to go through a vigourous process (like climbing a mountain, difficult, hard, tough, streneous course work, and after that you have passed all your subjects, you do your dissertation). Agree?

So, Rushmore has no State Licence, Not RA, or CHEA accredited. We also have to also consider that accreditation in the US is a voluntary process. So, having said that, the individual has to make up hi or her own mind.

My advice would be stay away.

Dr. Ahmed

johann

04-04-2007, 10:02 PM

Hi Ahmed -

I'm surprised that you're surprised - given that a couple of months back you and Brian BOTH commented that I'd moderated my stand somewhat on accreditation - which I have --- ever so slightly! I no longer automatically start groping for my bifocals and 9mm pistol!

As I said in previous postings - there are individual cases (but NOT in my life) in which an unaccredited degree may be a valid option. (Not frequently an option for those seeking employment!) One example would be for a person wishing such a degree for church-related or church-employment purposes, from an unaccredited religious school accepted by his/her denomination.

As I learned from a man far wiser than I, we all have to "pick our poisons" in this life, be they school, food or health care and if what you want/need is an unaccredited degree, then GO FOR WHAT YOU WANT! DON'T LET ME STOP YOU!

SOME unaccredited degrees are very good - e.g. Nations U. and there are a couple of secular schools, too. I have seen (and believe) comments that SOME unaccredited schools do a better job than SOME accredited ones. But the good ones are a small minority and the bulk are substandard - and that's where I class Rushmore. Beyond that, we know there are hundreds and hundreds of just plain mills.

Getting back to Rushmore - I've heard from some that many of their courses are little more than book reports. You do the assigned reading and the reports and that's the end of that course. It is neither "vigorous" nor "rigorous" IMO. Certainly no mountain-climbing! Instead, you go by executive golf-cart, LOL! There is no comprehensive set of core courses -economics, accounting, HR management etc. as you no doubt had in your Milpark MBA studies!

I agree - an MBA (if such it can be called) without core competencies is of very limited use. Again - unaccredited, definitely substandard, but misses being an outright mill. Here's the link I've posted a couple of times before, "$9,899 Tuition for a Worthless Degree?" that covers the same ground. One error: the Rushmore grad's name is correctly spelled "Dr. Morten Middelfart," NOT "Morton Middlefart" as written in the article!

http://econopinion.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html

By the way - I believe this school doesn't need to be state-licensed because the owner had the good sense and perspicacity to headquarter Rushmore in the Cayman Islands. :-)

Johann