Buy Degree from a accredited University

[skyhew]

Hi, Friends...

I heard there is a way to gain the accredited University degree without study, just buy...

Even you can call to check from the university, your name is in list and all detail available.
Anyone have this experience?

However, I am strongly disagree to get your degree in that way, you can't be happy in your life! Just to see if this that is any real case...

Don't try, my friend!

[scaredrain]

Hi, Friends...

I heard there is a way to gain the accredited University degree without study, just buy...

Even you can call to check from the university, your name is in list and all detail available.

Anyone have suck info?

Why buy a degree thats going to be worthless?? You can save money and time and print one out yourself. No real accredited degree will just give you a degree without doing some kind of work. You can look into some of the free religious exempted institutions, where you do have to do some course work and receive a "degree."

The North American Reformed Society:
http://www.tnars.net/index.html

North American Theological Society:
http://theologyamerica.org/

[BrandeX]

Anyone have suck info?
That's what I'd call it too ;)

[Tedmeister]

Hi, Friends...

I heard there is a way to gain the accredited University degree without study, just buy...

Even you can call to check from the university, your name is in list and all detail available.

Anyone have suck info?You are kidding, right? No legitimate school would grant you a degree with no study required. Any degree that is awarded for no study is from a degree mill, and those are all unaccredited!

[air_air99]

Where I can buy ???
Is their Republican College in The Philippines?

[johann]

Hey Air-Air99!

We don't assist in the buying/selling of FAKE degrees! If you want info on a real degree (that requires work), accredited or not, we'll always help you!

In answer to your question - is this the Republican College you're referring to? I found them under schools/colleges on www.clickthecity.com in the Philippines. Go ahead and phone them. No web page - I know nothing about them.

Republican College
42 18th Ave.
Murphy
Quezon City
Tel. 912-1286

If you still want to surf for fake degrees, here's an Internet site I think you're ready for:

www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

I think a wise man would let this thread end here! :-)

Johann

[johann]

Hi - guess I'm not very wise - not listening to my own advice! :-)

Seems the deeper I dig, the more controversy. Here's a web link on Republican College that has

(a) VERY unflattering photos of Republican College uh--campus. Check the sign over the doorway!
(b) controversial article - Thai official who claims to be a grad of this Philippines school.

First part of article is in Thai - scroll down and there's lots of English towards the bottom.

It's all here with pictures: http://www.oknation.net/blog/print.php?id=235163

Johann

[skyhew]

This mainly "buy" from someone internal from university (maybe registrar or any professor) who have power to do suck things... and of course, this is illegal. I am not sure this is true or not, but I strongly disagree to do so...

Hopefully this culture will not build up...

[johann]

Hi -

Well, it appears to have happened - and been discovered - at at least one accredited U.S. university. I don't think cash payment was involved here - although that doesn't make it right, of course. A couple of people lost their jobs. Check out this thread from another forum:

http://www.degreediscussion.com/viewtopic.php?t=5408

We had a poster in this forum who said it was commonplace nowadays in Russia and gave details. I'll post the link when I can find it.

Here it is. I think Baraban's posting, No. 3 in the thread, tells all:

http://online.degree.net/accredited-unaccredited-state-approved-diploma-mill/t-based-on-work-experience-degrees-and-legitimacy-1923.html

To use the degreediscussion.com poster's expression, there are likely "corrupt idiots" in every country. Some work in Universities, some don't. Some are caught and probably others are not. At least in North America, any "corrupt idiots" working at legitimate schools don't advertise on websites, as they do in some other countries! :-)

Johann

[tony_ramos]

You don't even have to buy one. Just DIY. Get a good color printer and high quality paper. You can choose whatever colleges you like like Harvard, Yale, Standford, MIT....:cool:


Hi, Friends...

I heard there is a way to gain the accredited University degree without study, just buy...

Even you can call to check from the university, your name is in list and all detail available.

Anyone have suck info?

[Bout2givup53]

Why buy a degree thats going to be worthless?? You can save money and time and print one out yourself. No real accredited degree will just give you a degree without doing some kind of work. You can look into some of the free religious exempted institutions, where you do have to do some course work and receive a "degree."

The North American Reformed Society:
http://www.tnars.net/index.html

North American Theological Society:
http://theologyamerica.org/


:roll: What if you've 30+ years working in manufacturing aerospace contracts,quotes,engineering,planning,yet never seen the back door of a college not to mention 30 years of civic,goverment volunteerism/politics,under your belt and seek a life experience degree?
Are you saying they must study for what they already know?
Or what if someone has had a sucessful retail business for over 20 years,and 35 years of goverment,civic volunteerism and they seek an associates degree in business management-they to must go study that which they already know in order to continue up the ladder?:confused:

[Dennis Ruhl]

:roll: What if you've 30+ years working in manufacturing aerospace contracts,quotes,engineering,planning,yet never seen the back door of a college not to mention 30 years of civic,goverment volunteerism/politics,under your belt and seek a life experience degree?
Are you saying they must study for what they already know?
Or what if someone has had a sucessful retail business for over 20 years,and 35 years of goverment,civic volunteerism and they seek an associates degree in business management-they to must go study that which they already know in order to continue up the ladder?:confused:

Just because someone has been shoveling crap for 20 years doesn't make him a a university level expert. Academics is a lot different than experience. The reason employers hire people with degrees is to teach the know-nothing idiots that have worked there for 20 to 30 years new ways of doing things.

In my field, I learned 90% of what I know from courses and maybe 10% from doing. I used to work beside people that learned 100% from doing and spent much of my time correcting their mistakes.

I think any academic credit for on-the-job training should be by way of examination and not someone's evaluation of job duties. My daughter did a year industrial internship in a scientific field at a large university, had to write a paper on what she learned, and got 3 or 6 credits for it. She was an undergrad and many of the people doing the identical job had masters degrees. If test results said nay, the plant didn't run.

Maybe on the job training should be maxed out at 30 credits of the 120 in the bachelors degree but be tightly evaluated to determine knowledge that could be considered academic.

What is the problem with actually taking courses and earning a degree? Average intelligence and a dose of ambition and it isn't all that long and you have one.

[JohnDoe]

:roll: What if you've 30+ years working in manufacturing aerospace contracts,quotes,engineering,planning,yet never seen the back door of a college not to mention 30 years of civic,goverment volunteerism/politics,under your belt and seek a life experience degree?
Are you saying they must study for what they already know?
Or what if someone has had a sucessful retail business for over 20 years,and 35 years of goverment,civic volunteerism and they seek an associates degree in business management-they to must go study that which they already know in order to continue up the ladder?:confused:

Should not matter. Everybody can work. That's how we all earn our living. Work is one thing, studies something quite different. Put it the other way around: If someone has studied for 15 year, can he then begin working in a company and claim 15 years experience? Of course not. Another element is: What does 10 years, for example, of working experience mean. 10 years of new knowledge and skills, or 1 year times 10 with the same knowledge and skills.

Also: Why should one consider studying at all, if one can just work and get a life experience degree. Must be an idiot to study then.

What is to prefer:

Salary - salary - salary - salary - salary ....... Life experience degree.... salary salary

Loan - loan - loan - loan -loan - loan - loan - Degree - Salary - salary etc.

[Tedmeister]

Just because someone has been shoveling crap for 20 years doesn't make him a a university level expert. What department or school within a university would one go to if one wished to study for a degree in crap shoveling?

[DLG]

:roll: What if you've 30+ years working in manufacturing aerospace contracts,quotes,engineering,planning,yet never seen the back door of a college not to mention 30 years of civic,goverment volunteerism/politics,under your belt and seek a life experience degree?
Are you saying they must study for what they already know?
Or what if someone has had a sucessful retail business for over 20 years,and 35 years of goverment,civic volunteerism and they seek an associates degree in business management-they to must go study that which they already know in order to continue up the ladder?:confused:

Degrees are meant to reflect education – not experience. On the other hand, there is growing acceptance that education can be acquired outside the classroom. The DL boom is evidence of this. Another manifestation of this is the acceptance of experiential learning credits. Many US institutions – particularly DETC accredited – will allow students to prepare a portfolio that demonstrates actual education acquired in a non-academic way. This includes on the job training and experiential learning.

Higher education is continually moving toward a more liberal interpretation of academic learning. Western Governors University ( www.wgu.edu ) is a pioneer of competency-based learning. Many accredited universities award limited credit for experiential learning.

An entire degree or can be earned in the best French universities (check out this thread on VAE degrees - read it to the end - http://online.degree.net/accredited-unaccredited-state-approved-diploma-mill/t-french-university-vae-awards-913.html ). A degree-equivalent award can be earned from the UK City and Guilds Institute (http://www.cityandguilds.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-E4159DC8-0761D12A/cgonline/hs.xsl/643.html ) based on nonacademic professional or military education and experiential learning.

I think that the French VAE idea is exactly what you are looking for. The university granting the degree is primarily an institution of academic learning. These schools grant traditional and DL degrees as their main line of business. French law provides for the university to grant a degree based on a portfolio prepared by an applicant. When the degree is granted, the university is certifying that the learning demonstrated in the portfolio is equivalent to a degree granted by the same university.

There is still no accredited US equivalent to the French VAE degree but I think that this is just a matter of time. In the mean-time, there are a few US colleges in which you can complete an associate’s or bachelor’s degree by a combination of college study, training courses, experiential learning credits and examinations. This is just one of the many threads on this forum that deal with this type of program - http://online.degree.net/online-degree-chat/t-help-advice-on-ba-for-mature-exec-1827.html

What is the difference between these options and your average life-experience degree? You can't get these credits, degrees or awards in 5 days. They all require a process of verifying the learning. They all operate under the auspices of governmental charters or legitimate accreditors. In many cases, the verification of this learning requires the preparation of a portfolio which is a serious academic endeavor unto itself.

So in answer to your question – No you shouldn’t have to learn everything that you already know. On the other hand, thirty years of experience may qualify you for a job, but not for a bachelor’s degree. For a degree you must demonstrate 120 credits of education – in any legitimate way.

[ham]

Should not matter. Everybody can work. That's how we all earn our living. Work is one thing, studies something quite different. Put it the other way around: If someone has studied for 15 year, can he then begin working in a company and claim 15 years experience? Of course not. Another element is: What does 10 years, for example, of working experience mean. 10 years of new knowledge and skills, or 1 year times 10 with the same knowledge and skills.

employers typically seek 22 year olds [so that they can pay them low 'entrance' wages and cash government benefits ] with the experience of someone who has worked for 10 years and the education of a triple doctorate.
I had a unschooled friend who drooled after a promotion that he was entitled to after working 25 years in a company as logistics expert.
The relatively lucrative position was then taken by an absolute beginner with minimal work experience; a relative of an associate of the owner, he said.
As well, he was denied salary increases on the ground of his 'lack of credentials'.
I was told many times that I was 'too educated' for the job, and they could easily do with someone with an associate or even high-school diploma.
I asked whether they thought those people would do what I could; no way, they said, but the saving in term of wages was all that mattered.
Conversely, i know a few of these unschooled or partially schooled people, and they all get their nose constantly rubbed into the fact they have not enough education to ask for more than token salary increases.
i still remember an ad from a big internet company like google that sought a P.R man who -in their own words- had to be able to get the best slots for congresses, conventions etc in the field; ought to secure high-powered political contacts for lobbying blahblahblah.
Now, if i had such power I wouldn't need to answer an ad, nor would i need to settle for a fixed wage, but i'd operate my own 'media consulting' business and sell my high-powered contacts to the highest bidder.

[ham]

An entire degree or can be earned in the best French universities (check out this thread on VAE degrees - read it to the end - http://online.degree.net/accredited-...wards-913.html ). A degree-equivalent award can be earned from the UK City and Guilds Institute (http://www.cityandguilds.com/cps/rde...s.xsl/643.html ) based on nonacademic professional or military education and experiential learning.

I think that the French VAE idea is exactly what you are looking for. The university granting the degree is primarily an institution of academic learning. These schools grant traditional and DL degrees as their main line of business. French law provides for the university to grant a degree based on a portfolio prepared by an applicant. When the degree is granted, the university is certifying that the learning demonstrated in the portfolio is equivalent to a degree granted by the same university.

All accredited institutions i know of place significant burdens on PLAR/life experience; it is typically stipulated that PLAR/life experience are not to exceed a token percentage of credits; typically limits superpose themselves, EG there is a 40% PLAR + a 30% life experience maximum, but the overall transfer credit cannot exceed 50% or whatever, so one cannot use his 40+30%.
Conversely, all accredited universities I know of have clear PLAR/life experience policies, so it is not true that only unheard of dodgy outfits from Congo or East Timor offer PLAR credits: every school does.
What is true is that only mercenary basement operations from Uganda or Hawaii do grant degrees based exclusively on PLAR (or whichever exotic acronym ), while conventional institutions require 30, 40, 70% residence.
VAE or other fancy acronym is not needed.

[DLG]

Hi Ham,

I'm sorry but I can't quite figure out what point you are trying to make. Were you agreeing with me or disagreeing?

What exactly is your point here?
All accredited institutions i know of place significant burdens on PLAR/life experience; it is typically stipulated that PLAR/life experience are not to exceed a token percentage of credits; typically limits superpose themselves, EG there is a 40% PLAR + a 30% life experience maximum, but the overall transfer credit cannot exceed 50% or whatever, so one cannot use his 40+30%.
Many US schools accept up to 90 out of 120 credits for a BA. Other than that, is there somthing here that conflicts with something that I said?



Conversely, all accredited universities I know of have clear PLAR/life experience policies, ...
Be careful of superlatives. I'd bet there are some that you know of that don't.



... it is not true that only unheard of dodgy outfits from Congo or East Timor offer PLAR credits: every school does.Other than that annoying superlative, did I say anything different?



VAE or other fancy acronym is not needed.How does that follow from what you said before? Is it because you think a degree awarded for up to 100% of non-academic learning is a bad idea? Or do you know of a place to get an accredited degree like this in the US? I suppose you are right about my use of accronyms. At least once I should have used the full name ‘La validation des acquis de l’expérience’ instead of VAE? I assume that you weren't implying that that VAE was just another accronym for something else that you or I mentioned previously.

Please try to clarify the point that you were making. I think that you were pointing out some error in my post but I can't figure out what it was. If not, were you agreeing with me?

Thanx in advance,

DLG

[ham]

How does that follow from what you said before? Is it because you think a degree awarded for up to 100% of non-academic learning is a bad idea? Or do you know of a place to get an accredited degree like this in the US? I suppose you are right about my use of accronyms. At least once I should have used the full name ‘La validation des acquis de l’expérience’ instead of VAE? I assume that you weren't implying that that VAE was just another accronym for something else that you or I mentioned previously.


VAE is 'just another exotic acronym' to mean 'prior learning', experience learning etc.
When did people learn about 'VAE'?
When millists tried to surf on top of it, much like for decades we've heard of that UK education act saying that the value of a degree shall be left to the sole appreciation of employers; for millists and '(extremely) alternative' education proponents that meant in the UK all degrees were equal, even those printed in a basement.
Why was 'VAE' brought up?
Because the target public has no idea what it means, but must be cool and fast and easy.
In reality it isn't easier to get VAE degrees from a real French university than it is from one's local accredited universities...
The only difference is that local accredited universities will only go this far, while some peddler of bogus degrees can offer a fast & easy one based on some law from far away drafted in a language none understands, 110% life experience.
Now VAE requires at times (or every time, I don't remember ) to be interviewed by a committee...in France...in French.
Easy, huh?
If this still doesn't make sense, you will have to forget poor illiterate me and move on.

Be careful of superlatives. I'd bet there are some that you know of that don't.

Every university i know of has written PLAR policies. That doesn't mean they are fast or easy, or that getting a PLAR degree will be the best choice. Do I know every university in the world? No, why would I need to?

If we take Athabasca university as a reasonable example, they do offer PLAR:
http://priorlearning.athabascau.ca/how-PLAR-works.php
And here is how many credits one might get for his PLAR:
http://priorlearning.athabascau.ca/criteria.php

Not 100%, not even close...

Rigged example?
Take Exeter University:
http://www.education.ex.ac.uk/dll/studyskills/apl_guide.pdf
APL credits may constitute no more than 50% of any award.

Now if I really wanted to speed things up and some nice fellow offered me VAE degrees from Congo ( after all, a former French colony ), 100% PLAR, hey...

[Dennis Ruhl]

Here's how my ethics works. I'd take an unaccredited degree from a real program, possibly on the less rigorous side and brag about it. As I have done.

I wouldn't take a degree from an accredited school that gave it to me because I was already so smart.

Everyone expects learning to take place at school. An employer who hires someone with a degree that involved no new learning is being cheated.

[DLG]

I am sorry if I gave the impression that I was suggesting a French VAE degree as a solution for an American student today. This was not my intention. I mentioned a number of options that included various combinations of traditional and nontraditional learning modes leading to a degree. These are all real options. My mention of VAE was seperate from these and meant to show a trend. As I mentioned, there is no US equivilent for a complete degree by these means and the VAE, alas, is only available to those who can write the potfolio and, usually, defend it in French.

[DLG]

Here's how my ethics works. I'd take an unaccredited degree from a real program, possibly on the less rigorous side and brag about it. As I have done.

I wouldn't take a degree from an accredited school that gave it to me because I was already so smart.

Everyone expects learning to take place at school. An employer who hires someone with a degree that involved no new learning is being cheated.

Hi Dennis,

I can see your point but I think it’s more a matter of perspective or motivation than ethics. You enjoy the learning and enrichment for their own sake. You are also, if I’m not mistaken, the holder of enough accredited degrees to feel secure and self confident of your qualifications. All things being equal, I think that many employers would prefer a candidate with a VAE-style degree from an accredited university over a candidate whose sole academic qualification is a less than rigorous UA degree.

Of course there is really no such thing as a legitimate "no new learning" degree. Even VAE degrees require the preparation of a serious portfolio to demonstrate the necessary academic achievement. Remember, these degrees are not awarded for being smart. They are awarded for proving that you have reached the required level of academic achievement, for same degree, by traditional delivery. Often, part of the portfolio is based on traditional academic and professional training.

I think it’s a case of different strokes for different folks.

-DLG