Floret Global University ????

[amnetclub]

Hello everyone!
Now, I want to introduce a new university with you. It is unaccredited or Diploma mill, I don't know. Please share your experiences about Floret Global University (http://www.floret.edu.pa/?page=1937).
According to Floret Global University, Floret Global University is legally Incorporated and Licensed by the Government of The Republic of Panama to run courses and administration of university. Its administration office in Cyprus. It is fully online university. Not any type of full time regular classes are available in this university.
Floret Global University does not grant degree on the base of life experience. According to FGU, Its credits are transferable but it is not must.
I think Floret Gloabl University is not diploma mill. What you say. I am a junior in this field. I call to my respectable seniors, Please share your experiences about this university. Because so many people have enrolled in this university in last 2 years and so many want to enroll.

[johann]

Hi Amnetclub -

IUFS should have been a good education about bad schools for you - apparently it wasn't.

If I ever saw a really unsavoury school site, this is IT!

Reasons:

(1) Two semesters (or less) - any degree.

(2) Licensed in Panama (as a business) - no accreditation whatsoever, including proper University registration status in Panama. It appears to have been incorporated in 2007, so I don't follow your remark about "so many people wanting to join it in the past two years." The beast is not even one year old yet!

(3) Administration is in Limassol Cyprus -and that's where they say you're supposed to send the money! Cyprus is a KNOWN haven for mill operators, fishing in the British and Middle Eastern markets. Many "bad ops" here, including notorious scams like the University of Palmers Green. (Palmers Green, North London, is my former home and I knew that one was a dud from the first moment. That fiasco -and several other mills that banked in Cyprus - were shut down by British authorities long ago.)

(4) The operators have a 'WAY less-than-perfect grasp of English. Quite a few bloopers on the website. Whatever you do, DON'T sign up here for a degree in the field of English! Theirs is so bad it's unforgivable for any University - no matter where, on land, sea or cyberspace!

Send 'em all your money if you want, but DON'T waste your time defending this crap-poke and telling me I'm wrong and it's a good school. It's DEFINITELY not - all the classic signs. :-(

Johann

[amnetclub]

Sorry Johann, you have misunderstanding. I am not defending the Floret Global University (and I am not defend IUFS). I want to just share this school with my seniors because I have not any material against floret global university. I am new in this field. I want to share new and new (accredited, unaccredited, legall, illegall and mill type) Universities because so many people theses forums daily. I am a real student of University of Dundee, U.K ( I think it is not degree mill type university).
Sorry Sir,
If you say that I defend degree mill institutes, It will be a wrong. If you have difficulties to understand my posts, it will be a last post from amnetclub.
Sorry Johann and others who could not understand my posts and attaching me with degree mills and bogus universities.
Ok and Bye, And very thanks to you on your comments.
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Nabel Kazan,
Bsc (Medicine),
PGC (Medical Education)
Phd ( continue from University of Dundee, U.K)

[johann]

Nabel -

Yes, you WERE defending IUFS! Even promoting it! Vigorously, if not well! Read your own posts! ...And defending IUFS is something that anybody who gets a "degree" from them will likely spend a LOT of time doing afterwards!

I suspect you know 'WAY more about distance-ed, good and bad, than you let us believe. Anybody who, by dint of legitimate study, has found his way into a doctoral program at Dundee has to know a fraud from a good 'un by the time he gets there - or long before!

I've never gotten as high as you are on the educational totem-pole (but my schools are all real, I assure you) so YOU - with legit grad study behind you, from what you say - should be quicker to spot a mill than I am -- and I do OK at that!

I haven't quite figured out what your game was - this "what do you think of this mill I claim to have just found." I don't really know the game, the rules or who wins or loses.... I thought maybe you were just trolling for the place, but that would be beneath a genuine doctoral candidate at Dundee, wouldn't it?

Oh well... I'll chalk it up to experience.

Johann

[Cedrick(Ctu)]

I would never attend that college. Ewww

[Branden]

Hi

I am one of MBA online learner of this school. The school offers good instruction material, online chat with faculty and replies to queries on forum !

It is NOT a mill for sure ! I verified from Panamanian embassy and they confirmed education department authorization not required for online university running programs outside Panama. License from Commercial Ministry is sufficient and therefore they got www.floret.EDU.PA domain.

I am happy with this school and my employer (a large corporation in steel manufacturing) too has recognized this school.

Johnan - have you got any personal experience with this school ? Dont spoil !

Branden

[johann]

Hi -

I'm glad you like the school, Branden. However, I'm not changing my opinion; I would still not recommend this school. If you really WANT an unaccredited school, for whatever reason, I believe there are better choices.

I hope you (and your employer) like your degree, too, when you graduate. As I said before, it will be totally unrecognized, just about anywhere else. The school has no accreditation, although it DOES have a license - it has to have that, to make money!

My remarks included:

(a) The school is in Panama but the money goes to Cyprus - usually a bad sign in the past. You're probably unaware of the 20+ school "University Degree Program" scam, busted a few years back, where the money usually went to Cyprus or Romania. See this 123-page document: http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/diploma_mills.pdf

(b) The website's English is decidedly not of University grade. Another bad sign, especially when English is the school's language of instruction!

(c) Two semesters get you any degree, including a DOCTORATE at $1000 for each of those two semesters. This should ring some alarm bells.

I still stand by these remarks because all of them can be SEEN. They are not just allegations - they're right out there.

Because you defended the place, I decided to look in more detail. Apparently their two-semester Bachelor's degrees have no specific general education requirements (subjects outside of the business field) that I can see. They're basically unaccredited "Bachelor completion" programs for those with an Associate's from somewhere else. Nothing wrong with such a program - but an accredited one would take more than two semesters! They'd need more structure (and much else) before attempting any recognized accreditation.

Hope you make out well with them - still not my cup of tea. Not on my "recommended" list!

Johann

[Branden]

Hi Johann

I did not ask for change in your stand my friend BUT only advised not to term the school as a MILL which it is not for sure. As a student I get

- Instruction Materials on every Course in PDF (Standard of the materials is better than average what teachers of a local Business School feel.

- Regular Chat with FGU Faculty (I chatted with 4 teachers till now)

- I get regular replies to my questions raised on forum

- I get feedback to work assignment submitted to them

How it can be a Diploma Mill interested to make only MONEY ! Only I tried to convey by my experience that it is a legitimate school having government license to run courses and university. Yes, you are right here that it has no program accreditation - they neither claim for it. I too have visited websites of several Diploma mills calling themselves University - they normally claim several worthless accreditation - also they never mention about them so clearly as Floret has done on its FAQ page.

This makes the difference . Yes, there are some typographical mistake on the site and it may ask to transfer money in a Cyprus based bank - this can not be ruled as a proof that it is a fake school ! In Cyprus too, beneficiary name is mentioned as FGU Inc Panama.

Then please do not treat Cyprus as a bad country just because a crime might have been committed there!

I hope you should agree that it is a legitimate school ! How many fake schools incorporated after 2003 has a .edu domain ?

Their fees - I too was surprised to see such a less tuition but later came to know it is inaugural offer for a year

[Baraban]

This is very misleading
Usual quote of a diploma mill


17. Are Floret Global University Degrees Recognized?

Being a fully online university, the issue of accreditation of courses or recognition from government does not assume any significance or relevance, particularly keeping in view of its global student base. Recognitions / Accreditations are state subject - a recognition in any state may not be recognized in other state. Therefore, Floret Global University , being a global online university does not see any relevance in opting for recognition from any government agencies. However the Floret Global University is fully licensed by Government of the Republic of Panama to run the university and courses. Floret Global University is also in process of seeking recognition from an autonoumous international recognising and accreditation body.

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No QA is not good.
Such degrees are not recognized in most of the countries.

[amnetclub]

Hai Baraban,
You are right. Johann and some other members beleive on just CHEA or its recognized organizations accreditation. It is Universal truth that accreditation is just state or country based metter and didn't apply for international universities. We hate degree mill universities and others who just want your money and grant degrees in just days. But please remember, all CHEA or its member organizations unaccredited universities not degree mills. So many states of U.S.A have said that all unaccredited universities are not degree mills. Some accredited universities of one state are unaccredited in other states. Floret Global University is legall university. And they are registered with Govt of Panama. And please remember, Local Department of Education's accreditation is not required for Online or Distance learning international universities but Government registration is required. Floret Global University has government licence. Its degrees can be lower standard but not illegall .

[Baraban]

Every one can start University on the internet,

Most of the countries have a form of performing and insuring Quality.
Many countries maintain Accreditation as a tool to certify buy Ministry of Education or Recognized accrediting Agency.
The system of Accreditation is no longer USA only, its international.
I understand that this is a business.

Its a bad start to post in F.A.Q misleading information and this is a first sign of dishonesty that makes this place suspect of being degree mill.
There is diploma mill - they sell diplomas and there is degree mills who sell short substandard degrees.
These operations use the same tactics.

The nobel thing to do is to stop claim that these are degrees at best these are vocational or other certificates and they are from unknown, unrecognized provider.

[amnetclub]

International University of Fundamental Studies Russia say that our postgraduate medical degrees MD/MS/Phd are under the Mininstry of Education and Mininstry of Health and these programs are runing with the local universities , Research Centers and Hospitals. I do not say, All IUFS degree courses are accredited but I know that IUFS postgraduate medical qualifications are accredited and acceptable. Please remember, Medical Doctor (MD) or MBBS, BM BS, MB CHB, MB BCH are not postgraduate medical qualifications. They are primary medical qualifications and you can't complete this degree before 5 to 6 years. IUFS do not offer this program via thesis based distance learning. IUFS also offer 6 years full time MD degree program with W.H.O recognized state medical academy. If you want to get admission in 6 years M.D degree program or Postgraduate medical degrees program or University of London external Programs or University of Dundee U.K external programs and some others accredited programs in IUFS, your are right.

But If you want to get admission in other degree courses. I will suggest you, it will be not good because IUFS is one of the top questionable universities of the World.

[Baraban]

In US we have what is called first professional degree such as DVM, MD etc.
IUFS have no say at all OK, their opinion is of "0" value they feed you lies.
Their MD has absolutely no value.
All the mentioned so called partner universities denied and many don't know who IUFS is.
Could you provide prove besides emails from IUFS or what is written on their web site.

IUFS would show their documents on their web site if they had some document of approval from any ministry in Russia, but there is noting on their web site because there is no such programs or approvals.

[amnetclub]

Hai Baraban, Johann, Symbol (must) and others,

According to IUFS webpage,

Postgraduate Studies - Doctor of Medicine (MD)
Doctors training to be Special Doctors or Postgraduate degree qualifications (PhD, D.Sc) join the Faculty of Postgraduate Medical Studies. The faculty offers all the major clinical disciplines at state hospital and clinics through state research institutes.
The IUFS Medical Faculty is joint collaboration research centers with the State Medical Academies, State Research Institutes and North - West Federal center for Health and Hygine. IUFS is a member of the IAICC and the research Institute of Astrobiological Problems and Cosmic Security of IAICC and Russian Space Federation, European Academy of Informatization, WFUNA, UNA- USA, UNICEF, etc... This center offers state Postgraduate Medical degrees programmes with IUFS. and awards MD, MS, PhD and D.Sc. in medical science under the Ministry of Education and International Higher Examination Council (IHEC).

(Russian State Military Medical Academy say that we accept IUFS postgradaute medical degrees but they can't issue the distance learning primary medical degree).

[Baraban]

I asked for something reliable not IUFS web site:-)
They also say that their computer science degrees are collaboration with state aerospace instrumentation university.
St Petersburg State University of Aerospace Instrumentation never heard of IUFS and has no collaboration. Diplomas has noting to do with this state university.
Every one can take their DL classes directly or listed on the states university real partners. ( IUFS not listed )
Wake up its all smoke and mirrors.

International Higher Examination Council (IHEC) is group of IUFS employees that have noting in common with ministry of education of Russian Federation.
You can start your own IHEC any time.

[cklapka]

International University of Fundamental Studies Russia say that our postgraduate medical degrees MD/MS/Phd are under the Mininstry of Education and Mininstry of Health and these programs are runing with the local universities , Research Centers and Hospitals.

I think one needs to look past what the school itself says about who recognizes them. One must go to the source and inquire as to if these statements are true. This is good due diligence for any school someone wishes to attend.

[Baraban]

I have a private correspondence from a person who got his Russian State Military Medical Academy MD via IUFS by just sending money via Western Union.
He tried to use this to get in to foreign doctor program in USA and failed.
I also found out that his wife has IUFS Masters degree in a field that requires licensing in state of NY and she had no issues and working in Government facility in NY.

I leave this to experts but facts speak for them self.
Go figure???!!!!

[Baraban]

I didn't believe until the email and the copies of the credentials.
Can I guarantee this is 100% correct I can't.
But I have no reason to not believe him.
He shared email correspondence with IUFS whit all the money thing etc.
He is somewhat upset because he paid for worthless paper.

Today in Russia you can buy diplomas of most of universities from diploma printing service.
For 10,000 Euro they will enter this in to the roster of the university.
So this will be in the official database of that university. The bribe the registrar.

There are 40 web sites that offer what is called provedyaniy diplom.

[johann]

Hi Guys -

Wow - the subject got changed from Floret Global, didn't it?

Getting back to that for a minute, I won't call Floret a mill - it's obviously legal (in Panama) and gives instruction.

Unaccredited means just that - not that it's necessarily bad or good. It DOES reduce the utility of the degree, because in many employment situations etc. an accredited degree is required. There are only certain places you can use it.

Disclaimers about accreditation are usually found on all unaccredited school sites. U.S. unaccredited schools have to do one in prescribed wording and then they usually go on afterwards with an ad-message about why they figure they don't need it - quite like Floret does.

And you're RIGHT - stating they have no accreditation (Floret) is WAY more honest than claiming bogus, worthless accreditations, as IUFS does!

I would hazard a guess that Floret degrees are substandard - not entirely worthless, but not worth very much. Two-semester quickies HAVE to be that, at best. (Ouch! Those two-semester doctorates? Way worse!) So what have you got - an unaccredited degree of suspect standards and less-than normal utility? OK, it doesn't cost very much... I'll agree.

It's up to you - if you think it's worth what you're paying - then by all means buy it!

As far as Cyprus and Cypriots go - I like 'em just fine! It might interest you to know that the very street I lived on in England (Green Lanes, Palmers Green) is home to the LARGEST expatriate colony of Cypriots in the world!

What I DON'T like is the eerie similarity to past major scams, like the UDP mentioned a few posts back, which involved millions of dollars and at least a score of completely fake schools. There, your cheque went to Limassol Cyprus (same town FGU banks in) or sometimes Romania and your bogus diploma was usually printed in Jerusalem.

Sure, FGU can legally print diplomas and call them degrees in Panama, but banking the proceeds thousands of miles away in Limassol still raises suspicions with me because that's what the old rogues did years ago. This time 'round, it may be just legit financial CYA (cover your ass) suitable for dealing in Panama, but hey, this old elephant never forgets...

Enough about Floret. It's legal in Panama (but not a properly credentialed traditional university by Panama's own standards) cheap enough and if it's what you really want, go there! (Though I wouldn't,myself, 'cause it's just not what I want) I'll say no more.

About a person with an IUFS Master's, working in New York? YEAH, I'll believe that in two seconds! I've read of one individual - "Dr." Laura Callahan, I think her name was - had a high-ranking job in HOMELAND SECURITY before she got "Outed" for her doctorate from the known-bogus Hamilton University - a mill not to be confused with any good school of a similar name.

I've seen people with bogus degrees from schools so bad they led the perpetrators to shame and incarceration, hold high positions in many fields, some in the health professions. I've seen some fall from grace and I know others have yet to fall. I'm sure your acquaintance's wife isn't the only person who has an IUFS degree and a position that demands a REAL credential, which that IUFS piece of paper is certainly not.

Tell someone where she works and see how long she lasts! :-)

Johann

[Baraban]

Where we defer is on the content of the disclaimer.

1. The disclaimer in my view is misleading and deceitful.
2. The license allows to be engaged in instruction but not to award degrees.
3. Basically they can do what ever they want as far as courses etc, it can be good and bad.

You see when a person comes to work for my company and the job description required a degree the HR and the hiring manager expect from that degreed person that he learned surtain things and among many other things that he is stable and stayed out of problems for 4 years or so.

Now a person shows up with a 3 month degree ?
What is the content of his studies, did he covered the minimum material expected from lets say BS holder?

[amnetclub]

Yaa, you are right. We can buy accredited university's bogus degrees. But it is not right in IUFS case. You can say that IUFS's degrees are lower standard or bogus in america But you can't say that IUFS issue the bogus degrees of other accredited universities. What you say, If you get admission in University of london external programs via IUFS. IUFS will issue the bogus degree of University of London after the completion of your course?????
It is not right, I can prove that. see,
If IUFS issue the bogus degree of/from Russian State Military Medical Academy, How can you take medical practice in Russian State Military Medical Academy (W.H.O accredited). Why, they can beleive on their own bogus degree.
On your major missguide against Russian State Military Medical Academy (W.H.O recognized), so many people will not get admission in this university. It is bad, very bad.

[Dennis Ruhl]

The University of London doesn't much care who offers instruction for their degrees. One still has to enroll at the U of L and write the U of L exams.

Haven't we heard enough about IUFS? Wasn't it suspended for 6 months a few years ago for issuing degrees without authorization?

[Baraban]

Floret Global University is incorporated and Licensed by Ministry of Commerce & Industry Republic of Panama, South America to offer services of courses & seminars and administration of university.

No degree granting authority
To be able legally confer degree they need approval of Ministry of Education.

Courses, simians - yes
Degrees - no - illegal

This has noting to do with quality of classes.
The embacy never heard of them so referred me to call or write to the ministry of education.
I'm not planing to investigate this further, simply don't have time and need for this.

[Baraban]

In a way it sounds good.
The problem with accredited Contact Hours is that many universities have a limit as to how many transfer credit they will accept.
In USA Education is business and Universities have to pay its employees. If University wants to retain good professors they have to pay competitive salaries, the same for accounting and other departments employees.
Also many rules are mandated by the state.
I think some universities accept transfer credit from RA to RA universities at the rate of 60 to 70 % and the rest one still has to take classes from that university on undergrad level so for AS degree that is 60 units one can transfer 30 units or for BS that is 120 units one can transfer 60 to 75 units, for Masters degree only 8 units are transferable out of 30 or 48 or 60.

Some universities compare syllabus of each class and if they don't match the class is rejected and no credit is granted.
Also credits have time limit and after some number of years no longer acceptable.
Excelsior college I think has 10 year limit but some other universities have 2 to 4 year limit.

If you units are from NA university than its very hard to transfer to RA university.
If you studied Engineering in RA university You can't transfer units to RA, ABET accredited university.

I know instances where this is so complicated.
But you can do well if degree from Excelsior college or Charter Oak, Edison State College etc will work for you.

Be aware of situations such as
http://ceu4you.com/
Wile recognized in all 50 states in USA they are not really providing academic unites.
The continuing education units are not academic credits for the degrees.

Real universities do grant degrees for life experiense for example University of Paris can award VAE degree to its student.
VAE in France is La Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience.
is a procedure that allows any French educational institution to grant degrees partly or totally on work experience. A porfolio of the applicant's achievements and work experience is presented to a committee at the educational institution. The committee will then decide if the documents presented in the portfolio show work that merits partial credit toward a degree, a degree, or no credit towards the degree at all.

[amnetclub]

Dear Baraban,
I have recieved two answering emails but Ican't show due to privacy polict.
One is a Doctor who recieved his Postgradaute Medical Degree from International University of Fundamental Studies and after that Paaed the certificate exam fron American Borad of ***ology. Simply, He got certfication on the base of IUFS degree.
(And Second is the answer of your post, in which you were saying that IUFS is provide illegall degrees of Russian State Military Medical Academy)
A psycologist who has got his MD degree from International University of Fundamental Studies and join Military Medical Academy to take medical practice and after 1 year he received 1 year internship diploma from Military Medical Academy.
Simply, IUFS Doctorate Medical degrees are 100% legall. Some accredited universities accept work experience, How can he reject IUFS real degrees.

[Baraban]

I know a person who used Columbia State Degree and got in to RA university.
The answer is that some times in admitting students or licensing boards make mistakes.
Some take brides but in this case is an oversight from the body that didn't do a good job to verify the degrees.
I repeat MD degrees of IUFS are unrecognized and not real MD degrees.

You correspondents most likely purchased their degrees from IUFS or via IUFS they are not telling you the truth.

Stanislav

[amnetclub]

Hai Braban,
You want to just prove that IUFS is degree seller. It is very bad. You can take Postgraduate Medical degree course Via research based.
My correspondent, Got 60 postgradaute level credits in Psycology from Staffordshire University U.K, took Post-MD diploma (504 study hours) from ACGME recognized Russian State Millitary Medical Academy (you can verify from ACGME (http://www.acgme.org)). After it, he convert these credits into MD (psycology) from International University of Fundamental Studies Russia. And this degree is very respectable. Harvard University U.S.A has accepted this postgradaute MD degree for Phd degree program.
What you say about that????

[Baraban]

I say its lie.

First he could simply buy the MD degree without any learning directly from IUFS.
IUFS in email this week offered to sell me 2 degrees so I think you work for them or you one of their degree holders who needs to defend the IUFS.

But if he had sufficient credits from other respected universities then Harvard could look at this and based on entire portfolio ignoring IUFS MD degree because its worthless but accepting credits from other than IUFS respected schools.

So there is a possibility but please don't put the IUFS name next to Harvard its like well I better stop here :-)

BTW I couldn't find ACGME in CHEA or US Secretary of Education listing.
Is ACGME a private accreditation body? I never heard of them.


Stanislaw

[amnetclub]

Hai Baraban,
You say that I defend IUFS. It is funny...very funny. And you have aslo very low knowledge in the field of Medicine. Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) is responsible for the Accreditation (http://www.acgme.org/acWebsite/about/ab_purposeAccred.asp) of post-MD medical training programs within the United States.
Please Explain,
IUFS has been offering to buy degrees from accredited universities, Why???? I couldn't Understand?
You say that don't touch IUFS to Harvard University, Why??? Harvard University has accepted IUFS's Postgradaute Medical Degree for Phd degree course, Why, Why, Why. They are blind???? Oh....World top university is blind...ch.ch.ch.ch...
Oh man,
Harvard University is top standard university. Harvard is best because they know, knowledge is not under the degree papers. If you have Stafforshire University Credits, ACGME recognized Military Medical Academy Credits, and IUFS (lower standard) Doctor of Medicine degree. How they can reject your application because you are a genuine student.
I can show the Harvard University Acceptence letter with University seal with you. But privacy is must?????Are you ready?????

But remember, CHEA is just American organization not International like W.H.O. every country have their own accreditation. Americal is not the Father of Accrediatation.
I think, you have understood!!
You Say,"I am telling lie". But I say," You are telling lie or show IUFS degree offer email (Privacy must)".
And Remember, I am not representive of IUFS but my problem is that my friend have IUFS MD (psycology) degree from IUFS. And preparing to go Harvard to take Phd degree course. I am very puzzle, If IUFS is illegall why Harvard accept it.

[Baraban]

1 - You state - Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) is responsible for the Accreditation of post-MD medical training programs within the United States.

I reply
I repeat within USA so I ask if they accredit in USA why are they not listed
with CHEA or US Secretary of Education? Obviously if they were responsible for accreditation in Africa I wouldn't ask this question BUT THEY ARE IN USA.
So maybe now you understand why I say USA - in USA
Simple question isn't it?
And if they are please show me I will then say OK now they are recognized but if they are not listed or recognized by CHEA and / or US DoE then they are unrecognized agency in my view.

2. IUFS has been offering to buy degrees from accredited universities, Why???? I couldn't Understand?

I reply
This one is simple - Money, Doneros amigo - comprende? mucho doneros $$$$$ - a package deal. You buy our MD for 3000 and we will sell you Academy MD for extra 1000.

3. You are twisting what I said.
I think Harvard would accept someone based on the Staffordshire University Credits, and Military Medical Academy Credits but they will not even look at IUFS MD degree at all or if they do this will be in a negative way.

Don't be puzzled, Harvard is one of very rare universities that actually may accept a person with unaccredited degree, but in your friends case they accepted ( IF this is real) not based on IUFS degree but based on other credits Staffordshire University Credits, ACGME recognized Military Medical Academy Credits.

Harvard doesn't accept IUFS degree - period they laugh at IUFS degree
Its like you go to an interview with a nice jacket and on your jacket you go get and smear it with sheath.

IUFS doctor is not to whom you would want to take you child to and God forbid the child needs a surgery.

Stanislaw

[amnetclub]

Hai Baraban,
In some points, I am wrong....But you are also not right in all points. According to you, IUFS can sell University of London or University of Dundee external degrees because they are selling Russian Military Medical degrees. It can be possible????
My brother, it is just your views. I am not agree with you. It is true, IUFS is very lower standard university and I do not like its own degree. But its external programs from different universities are very good....very best.
Imagine, you can take University of London, University of Dundee and some other universities distance learning (Please remember...Distance Learning) courses..........Full time..........after to pay University fee and IUFS training fee. I think, It is best.
Okkkk.......I think, we should stop this topic....because we can not prove that IUFS standard. But it is must,

Avoid IUFS own degrees!
Get admission in external programs from different accredited universities via IUFS, after to complete satisfication. And you should also contact with related university!
And you shoul also avoid to get admission in Floret Global University Because it is also very lower standard. If you are a genuine student, please try to get admission in 100% accredited university. If yoy are not able to get full time education, get admission in Online or Distance learning program from accredited and recognized university!
Simply, Choose those universities who are accredited with their home Department of Education or other Government department. And please must get clearification from related departments about its recognition!

[johann]

Imagine, you can take University of London, University of Dundee and some other universities distance learning (Please remember...Distance Learning) courses..........Full time..........after to pay University fee and IUFS training fee. I think, It is best.

Why would ANYONE want to pay IUFS ANYTHING if they want to study at London or Dundee? Apply DIRECTLY to London or Dundee! FORGET IUFS!

Paying IUFS so you can study at another school is a BAD JOKE! (Paying IUFS so you can study at IUFS is an EVEN WORSE joke!)

Last thing I'm gonna say about IUFS. :-(

Johann

[Baraban]

I never stated that IUFS sold univ of London or Univ of Dandy degree. Can you please show where I said this things?
I know for a fact that they sold Sate Military Academy Degrees.
Why are you playing this game?
You think people reading this can't see what you are doing? ;-)

One last comment IUFS is not university they are unaccredited traning institute.
Only accredited by ministry of education institutes in Russia are called university.

Stan

[johann]

Hi -

Read Amnetclub's quote in my posting above.

HE didn't say that IUFS sold fake London or Dundee degrees! Neither did I!

He said that it's best to pay IUFS some kind of fee they charge to get you into the enrolment process at London or Dundee.

I said no - you shouldn't pay them a fee - legal or not. You should enrol DIRECTLY with the school of your choice - NEVER pay IUFS to be an intermediary. In fact, never send IUFS any money - period.

I'm sorry! I can hardly believe you could even IMAGINE I said IUFS was selling fake degrees from schools like Dundee and London. I'll blame the vagaries of the English language. :-)

Mir i Druzhba, guys! Do svidanya!

Johann

[Branden]

Hi Braben

You very easily declared Floret as illegal.

In Panama, Panamanian Education department license is needed only if you run any physical campus based education in Panama. For a global university which runs programs via online learning with quality instruction materials and qualified faculty members; MICI, Panama license is sufficient !

Do not give sweeping remarks like this... it is true that there are numerous illegal schools operating via internet ! But not all are like that...

Branden

[amnetclub]

Hai Brandan,
Can you get admission in any college of Republic of Panam on the base of Floret Global University's degree. If it is possible, you are right.
Floret Global University is not degree mill. It is must!

[Baraban]

Hi Braben

You very easily declared Floret as illegal.

In Panama, Panamanian Education department license is needed only if you run any physical campus based education in Panama. For a global university which runs programs via online learning with quality instruction materials and qualified faculty members; MICI, Panama license is sufficient !

Do not give sweeping remarks like this... it is true that there are numerous illegal schools operating via internet ! But not all are like that...

Branden

So who is giving them authority to grand degrees.
Who is overseeing the quality.
They are self governed Internet education provider.
Some one is counting money in Cyprus.

My view is personal and I don't impose nor have I power to do so.

[amnetclub]

Hai Baraban,
If you have Distance learning or online degree from any university of the world like Harvard University U.S.A and apply to get equivalency of your degree in Pakistan. Higher Education Commission (HEC) of Pakistan reject you degree fo equivalency because International distance learning dedrees are unaccredited and unrecognized from HEC.
I think it will be interesting for you. your CHEA accredited distance learning or online degrees are fully unaccredited in Pakistan. You can not continue your study in Pakistan on the base of that type of degrees.
So, Every contry have their own accreditation policy. HEC, Pakistan reject the CHEA accredited degrees without any problem.
Baraban,
You see any university on the Eyes of CHEA or its recognizes. So, you say all CHEA accredited universities are accredited and unaccredited from CHEA are unaccredited. But If you will see on the eyes of HEC Pakistan, Every Distance learning or online university is unaccredited from HEC, Pakistan because HEC, Pakistan is not in the under of CHEA.
It is not must, every CHEA accredited university will be accredited in your country. Please contact with your own department of education for accreditation. Do not get admission in any university on the base of just CHEA accreditation!!!!1

[Baraban]

I 'm aware that not all country progressed yet in to DL and even in USA DL Degrees and other nontraditional degrees are not viewed equal as to traditional degrees.
In USA there no ABET accredited DL Bachelors degree in Engineering because ABET has strong requirements of real lab work.
How are you going to teach a nurse to give an injection via DL ? :-).
Maybe she can practice at home on her Barby doll or girlfriend?
There are countries that recognize only traditional degrees from traditional schools.

The only problem with your analysis is that Harvard as far as I know doesn't specify on the diploma or transcript how the degree was earned DL or traditional. Classes are the same exams are the same and if I remember Harvard have no 100% DL degrees.

I can see what you say more about UoP, AIU etc.

[amnetclub]

I am very sorry to Baraban, Symbol and others. I were very puzzle about IUFS accreditation because Universiy of London, University of Dundee and Russian State Military Medical Academy are fully accredited and I were thinking IUFS is registered with these universities.
I am very thanksful to Symbol for his great effort to prove IUFS's fakeful and cleverly self made accreditations.

Case Closed!!!!! I am 1000% agree with you.

[PsyDWannaBe]

We should start our own University, anyone have any good names we could use? I figure for $20 to register a domain and a free web template we could all be rich. We could just offer a Universal Degree (covering all human knowledge.) Obviously a Ph.D. that can be earned in 2 semester or less :D

[johann]

Hi

At the risk of starting a long discussion, isn't this kinda like what the Universal Life Church does?

http://www.ulc.net/index.php?page=shop&cat=17

You can get a Doctor of the Universe Degree or even Doctor of IMMORTALITY - for $29. Can't beat the price!

If we were to start our own "University" (which I don't think is a really great idea, despite the possibility of easy money) maybe we should offer a "Doctor of Omniscience" degree. As noted, it would encompass all human knowledge, yet be bestowed (mostly) on those with very little! Sorta like the diploma the Scarecrow got in
"Wizard of Oz!" :-)

Johann

[Baraban]

IUFS new accreditation

Accreditation Certificate by the International Parliament for Safety and Peace, Presidential Office, Italy

When will they stop this nonsense?

[johann]

Hi Baraban -

Their nonsense will likely never stop -- as long as it keeps working! By working I mean that it fools one or more people.

The International Parliament is headquartered in Palermo Sicily. It traces its origins to Archbishop Makarios III in Cyprus in 1975. Interestingly, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is the Parliament's current First International Vice-President.

I've seen its "accreditation" on other "schools" mainly Pacific area mills. I went to the IUFS site today to make sure what the certificate says --and you're right! The word accreditation is right there -plain as my fair-sized nose!

I could be mistaken, but it sure looks to me like the Parliament may be financing its lofty aims - in part - by selling these "accreditation" certificates. I don't like that at all! I'd really like to be wrong on this...it looks pretty sad. I have no idea if selling bogus accreditation is a crime under Italian law. But if it is, and my take on this IS correct, then I'd like to see someone do time in a Palermo jail alongside some Mafia soldiers who could make their life interesting!

You can make up your own mind. Go to http://www.internationalparliament.org/en/index.htm .

Cheers! :-)

Johann

[Dennis Ruhl]

The International Parliament is headquartered in Palermo Sicily. It traces its origins to Archbishop Makarios III in Cyprus in 1975. Interestingly, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is the Parliament's current First International Vice-President.
a Palermo jail alongside some Mafia soldiers who could make their life interesting!




Hugo Chavez - he's the savior of Venezuela as long as oil is around $100 per barrel, otherwise a thoroughly ridiculous man.

[johann]

Hi Dennis -

I'm sure there is a VERY large number of people who agree with you on the subject of Hugo Chavez.

As far as The "International Parliament" goes, maybe Chavez' presence isn't the best of ads for it. Then again, I don't think the entire website does much for it.

Johann

[kiranjain]

what is the conclusion
is floret global university legal or illegal

[kiranjain]

Some one said they would spend $ 20 to create a website and start a university who was that

[kiranjain]

I am looking for Used study material MBA can anyone provide a soft copy
Kiran

[kiranjain]

can we partner
i can get many students to enroll

[johann]

Kiranjain:


The poster was PsyDWannaBe and he was JOKING! I enjoyed his joke. I think maybe you're not joking. I hope I'm wrong.

The purpose of this forum is NOT so idiots can start a bogus University with a $20 website and proceed to fleece people. Yes, we can all have a good laugh, but if anyone is serious, then I don't care if it's legal or illegal where they plan to set the goatbag up. It shouldn't happen...

If this is anything but a joke, then I don't want anything to DO with it and I don't think Degreeinfo does either. Moderators! Kyle! ShotoJuku! What do YOU think?

Kiranjain -- a joke is a joke. But if you really want to start a bogus school, then please take the game elsewhere! :-(

Johann

[Branden]

Discussion on Floret Global University is already closed.

See Symbols, Johanan and my quotes on this university.

Its domain ends with .edu.pa which clearly proves it is a recognized educational institution of Panama. Non-Panama entitity can not get .pa domain and if it is not recognized school, it can not get .edu.pa. This institution provides academic teaching and it is legal and not a diploma mill.

And yes, if willing to start a mill, do not dirt this good forum. Lay off !

Branden.

[tony_ramos]

Hey friend,
Are you sure this is a genuine institution?
In the wesbite, you can't even find any faculty members!
And who run this university?
It is 100% mill & fake!
Stay away from it!:twisted:


Hi

I am one of MBA online learner of this school. The school offers good instruction material, online chat with faculty and replies to queries on forum !

It is NOT a mill for sure ! I verified from Panamanian embassy and they confirmed education department authorization not required for online university running programs outside Panama. License from Commercial Ministry is sufficient and therefore they got www.floret.EDU.PA domain.

I am happy with this school and my employer (a large corporation in steel manufacturing) too has recognized this school.

Johnan - have you got any personal experience with this school ? Dont spoil !

Branden

[Branden]

Hi

Thanks Symbol for your complements. But being in full-time employment, not possible to regularly write for online.net.

And yes, my friend Tony Ramos - you seem to be justifying your claim that Floret is a bogus school just as its faculty is not listed...

You should have an idea about domain registration and importance of domain extensions. In online education where things are done over the internet, domain name gives an idea about any organization. Floret has its Panamanian educational domain which can not be registered by any bogus school , post 2002 or 2003.

Floret is a genuine school (quality may be of medium to normal level... certainly not of top standards) beyond any doubts. They are transparent in listing their status and methodology.. Any way I dont want to write much about this institution as it is already discussed too much.

But I will advise that online.net is being looked by numerous online learning solution seekers and any opinion given to it should not be your gutt feeling but must be substantiated by facts, which you have not done so far in case of this school.

However, you are totally free to hold your opinion, thats up to you.

Branden.

[Ibrahim]

Friends
I am a new member of this forum and I like this due to many information I get.

Floret is a genuine online university and my 3 friends are taking their MS courses online and are satisfied. Yes, they have complain about some delay some time in getting answers to the question they post to the university. But no one complain about this institute being mill. As per their site, they have license to run courses and university by the Ministry in Panama.

I too agree with other senior members that Floret is a legal and not fake .

Ibrahim.

[Baraban]

Its not enough to be legal.
A sub store next to my home is also legal business with state license.
But they are not a recognized university.

The same goes for FGU, they don't have recognition by any ministry of education or recognized accrediting agency.

I'm sure that dancing school on my street can provide very good education, they can send you text books and teach you something not sure what is the value of this educational institute.

I don't think FGU is fake or illegal they are in my view simply education provider on line.

Unrecognized one.

[Ibrahim]

Hello Baraban

I fully agree with Sambol's statement that in Panama educational ministry accreditation is not required for online institutions running programs over internet, education department recognition required for those operate in physical location in Panama. My friends too have clarified from Panama embassy. This is a correct position.

Then this is the reason that they could get .edu.pa domain. Ordinary business license holders will never get .edu.pa domain as this is to be registered only by recognized educational institution of Panama - I hope you will agree this point.

Therefore, it is proved that Floret Global University is a Recognized online institution of Panama.

Seeing these, lets close the issue that Floret is a definitely NOT a Mill but it is a real school licensed by government of panama to run courses and university.

Ibrahim.

[Branden]

Friends

We already discussed much about this institution and concluded that Floret is a licensed institution recognized by Panama govt as education provider to run course and university. Lets leave this issue here itself and move on..

If anybody has any factual information against this position, that is welcome so that we again could discuss in the larger interest of online education.

Most of us are fully confirmed that Floret is a recognized online school licensed in Panama.

Lets move ahead on any other thread !

Branden.

[Baraban]

This is incorrect they are unrecognized.

According to sources in ECE, WES, And 2 more NACES member credential Evaluators and AACRO Floret is licensed UNACCREDITED ie, their degrees are not equivalent to US RA/NA degrees.

Ibrahim there some schools in USA that also licensed and provide education on line they are not required to be accredited but as long as they are not accredited they are not recognized.

The verdict is that Floret is licensed but unaccredited education provider.
No one in US will hire you to government job or accept to recognized University without recognized credential evaluation of NACES member or University internal foreign credential evaluation.

NARIC UK will not recognize the FLoret as University degree.
Now these agencies I just mentioned are experts on foreign education.
Me I'm amature at best.

[Ibrahim]

Dear Baraban

You are probably right that their degree will not be treated as accredited equivalent to US RA Degrees.

But you will definitely agree that Floret is officially permitted to offer courses and run university online by Panamanian authorities. However, they have not accredited Floret degrees for government employment.
I agree with your views.

Hence it is proved that Floret Global University is NOT a diploma / degree mill and it is a licensed online university of Panama legally empowered to run courses and the university and this is what this university is claiming too.

In fact I am very impressed with the way this university is transparent. I recently enquired for MBA online after my friends recommended and they were transparent on the accreditation and licensing , as I mentioned above.

I think this is a good online institution for working people like me.

Ibrahim.

[Baraban]

I have to disagree with you.
My statement is that Floret degrees are not recognized in most of the counties in the world and not just UK, USA.
No I don't think its good online institution for working people who need recognized degree.

As education provider they provide education but they are not empowered to award degrees. The degree that they award is of their own format and basically its like this.

Take our word we are good etc.

Maybe they are and maybe they are not :-)
Salam Alekum

[Branden]

Hello Baraban

I have seen your submissions and also other fellow members on Floret.

I am working in a large manufacturing organization and also a student of this University besides good interest in online degrees and degree providers. I had to submit a clearance of genuinity from Panama embassy and they confirmed that online universities in Panama are empowered to run the university with special license issued by Ministry of Commerce and Industries and online universities are not given any license from Education ministry which is given only to on-land university of Panama . It is not just a certificate of incorporation like many US entities have without any license. This is the reason this institution is given a .edu.pa domain which is a valid proof of being an recognized educational institution of Panama. Can you name any of bogus school registered after 2003 which has a .edu domain (Refer educause) ?

This institution is a good university providing genuine education online in quite affordable cost.

If you have any valid reasoning against this status of this institution, you are welcome to share with all of us !

Branden.

[Baraban]

The license they have is not making them equivalent to accredited university.
Its been a wile since I visited their site.
Are they listing their faculty?
Their degrees and from where their degrees are?
Are they listed in any recognized publication, such as mentioned on WES web site.
Can people view the Thesis and Dissertations of their students.

My main point is that for example in US in California an approval by Consumer Protection agency allows University to provide education and grant degrees. Unfortunately outside of CA these degrees have very limited recognition.
And before all .edu run out such approval allowed to apply for .edu domain.

I understand that they are legitimate not bogus but what I'm stating is that this is not sufficient and they have no recognition what limits the use of their diplomas and degrees no matter how good or bad their courses are.

I can see why people would be attracted to them but

a clearance of genuinity is simple another name to apostle.
This have noting to say about the recognition of the school.
The school is NOT recognized.
Stop selling it as anything more than that.

[Branden]

Hello Baraban
Still I do not see any substance in your submissions. But I am happy that you agreed that Floret Global University is not bogus and is an approved school. As such Panama do not give accreditation to online universities, they can not get get it. Moreover, they have not claimed any accreditation on their site.

Any way, let me complete the program to be able to comment more on this institution.

I also wish Ibrahim and his friends to share their personal experience with this university with me. All the best guys !

Branden.

[johann]

Hi -

I don't really care whether it rains on your parade or not, Branden -so here goes. My first comment is directed to Baraban:

I think I understand what you're saying, Baraban. And if you mean Floret is possibly sub-par or suspect - then I'd agree 100%. I think it is likely both. By the way, have I translated this correctly?

"A clearance of genuinity is simple another name to apostle."

I think you were talking about APOSTILLES here, not APOSTLES (the Bible guys). I take it you mean that an apostille only certifies a document (diploma etc.) as genuine -- not a forgery, and has nothing to do with how good/bad the school that issued the diploma may be. If that's what you meant, then you're 100% right. If not, please tell us what you DID mean.

This "dance" about the prized .edu domain is exactly that. I'm e-mailing the Panamanian Ministry to see exactly what their license allows them to do. I still note, nowhere do they use the word "accredited." And they sure would if they could. I note Floret has a new President, Dr. K.S.S Rakesh, who lives (far away) in India. Here's a picture of his house and a blurb as to what a great guy he is.

http://wikimapia.org/3356336/House_of_KSS_Rakesh

What REALLY makes me suspicious are other schools' associations/affiliations with Floret. A private business school in Bangalore India says a holder of its "advanced" diploma CAN GET A FLORET MBA DEGREE FOR IT if he/she desires. All the student has to do is pay the necessary "certification fees" to Floret Global University! Floret's own site says it will grant BACHELORS and MASTERS DEGREES to grads of a Warehousing Institute in Nigeria - depending on stage of studies completed. These two schools may be "legal" but NEITHER is a UNIVERSITY. Nonetheless, on PAYMENT, Floret will grant grads of the business or warehousing school instant degrees! Where'd they get these policies -IUFS?

http://martinsacademy.org/recognitation.htm
http://www.cism-ng.org/contact.html

Sounds like Floret may have some fishy (to me) business arrangements with other schools.

Branden, - I have to go with what I see. Unfortunately, to use the U.S. legal phrase, what I've seen constitutes "appearance of impropriety." I'd say people are wise to avoid outfits with clouds of suspicion. The red flags are there. Like some of the people in the wrong end of town -- it doesn't look good or smell good. So -- I'm outa here.

Johann

[Baraban]

Yes I meant apostille thanks for correcting my spelling.

Long long time ego during the lives of the Biblical guys Apostles they used to certify i.e stamp a parchment of the messengers they sent on their behalf to preach the gospel or deliver important documents.
Such messengers upon arrival would display the Apstiile document sent by Apostles such as James, Peter etc.

Paul never needed one he claimed his authority directly from Jesus.

I guess this is how the two terms Apostles and apostille are connected.

Also additional info you provided about this Internet outfit is very interesting with red flags all over.
Once you get a reply from the ministry could you please share the info with us?
I'm curious if this licenses is something like CA approval or less.

[johann]

Hi Baraban -

Apostle and Apostille have different roots.

(1) Apostle is from the Greek "Apostolakos" - someone sent out (with a message to the world.)

(2) Epistles - from the Greek "epistole" (letter) - Letters sent by the Apostles and documented in the Bible.

(3) Apostille - comes to English via French and originates from "post illa" - Latin for "after that time." In the religious sense, an apostille is an explanatory comment (written later) on a scriptural passage. In the secular world, as we both know, it's a certification that a document is genuine - not a forgery.

Sorry - I'm aware of "Epistles of Apostles", but not with apostilles attached! And I've never heard of "Apostles with Apostilles" certifying their message as genuine. News to me!

Darn! These words are SUCH fun!

Yes - certainly I'll share any info with you!

Johann

[Baraban]

I know what Epistles are but I'm not talking about them.

There where many false teachers that came to other cities and countries whit claime that they are messengers of the Apostles.

How would new Christian communities recognize if these are real messengers or false messengers.
It was by the letters (not epistles) it was certificate of authenticity i.e Apostille having a stamp of Apostles in Jerusalem and other locations.

When Paul came to some provinces or cities he was asked for such certification and he replied that he needed no such a thing because his authority came not from other Apostles but from Jesus Christ directly.

These first Certificates with stamp from James, Peter evolved centures later in to University Diplomas :-)

First universities where Churches ordaining clergy and issuing Diplomas - Apostolic stamps etc.

[johann]

Hi Baraban

I'd never heard of this before, so just for fun I googled "Apostolic Stamp." I got plenty of hits, but absolutely NO reference WHATSOEVER to actual stamps for documents - back then, or now.

Yes there were articles on "false" apostles and how they should be recognized - but not by credentials or stamped documents. (Not all instances of false apostles referred to early days, either!) I could find NO references to actual stamps etc. on documents carried by genuine Apostles.

Sorry -

Apostle is from Greek (Apostolakos) -a person sent out (with a message)
Apostille - French, from Latin "Post illa" (at a later time) refers (in the religious sense) to a commentary or explanation on a scriptural passage.

Two different words - two different meanings.

I can't find that those stamps you wrote about existed OR evolved into University diplomas.
Unless I can have solid references, I think it's just an entertaining story.

Johann