Kennedy Western AKA Warren National

[Scammed]

Kennedy Western University AKA Warren National is definitely going to get you a top notch education. In life experience! When you graduate from KW you will have learned that for slightly more effort you could have gotten an accredited university degree. You will have learned that your money was wasted. It is an unaccredited school. As someone who spent thousands there and took all the classes (yes you have to actually take classes and pass tests.) They don’t just hand you a piece of paper for “Life Experience”. In fact the professor who taught my Chemistry course at KW was also a full time professor teaching Chemistry at SUNY in Albany NY. KW is a scam. I didn’t find out until I tried to upgrade one of my professional engineering certifications and was turned down, that I myself had been scammed. When I enrolled at Kennedy Western they had a statement on their web site claiming accreditation for their state license. They even had a picture of it. It was MY FAULT for not properly investigating the project that I put MY money into. I am currently enrolled in a real brick and mortar university and I will tell EVERYONE who is considering distance learning DO NOT consider any online university that is not a physical school with an identical program established for full time students. As an employer I look for little things on a prospective resume like “A Student’s GPA” I ask if they have a minor area of study and I will not hire anyone to work for me who has an unaccredited degree. At KW I wrote one paper as a final project for my so called degree. At a real school you will have to write between 8 and 12 papers just to pass English 106 and that is the minimum English standard for regional accreditation. If you are going to waste your time and effort on an education, don’t do it at Warren National or any other online ONLY school. There are plenty of real physical state and private schools who offer quality online degrees and a quality education. Take your tests (CLEP SAT’s), find out what your prerequisite classes should be and just start getting them out of the way. In short, just do it right the first time. Then you won’t be playing catch up with your future later. As a side note if you read Warren Nationals new web site THEY will NOT accept any transfer credits unless they are from a fully accredited university. SO THEY WILL NOT EVEN ACCEPT THEIR OWN GRADUATE STUDENTS INTO THEIR NEW SCHOOL. This tells me they may finally be on the path to legitimacy, but please don’t waste your money. Legitimate or not, if they are associated with Kennedy Western and your future employer makes the connection, (or checks on Wikipedia) you are not getting hired. Take it from a KW alumni.

[Scammed]

Now that being said, I'll say I oppose the idea that all online schools should be avoided like the KWU graduate stated. I say this with the fact that I do have other credentials earned through a distance online institution that does not have a campus. This school is accredited and has been in existance for well over 100 years.

Bill[/QUOTE]

Bill this was not meant to impugn online institutions. If it was 1980 again and online only was the only choice available I would do it in a second. But most universities now offer online degree programs. (And for almost the same cost as online only universities) The difference is when your resume' is being reviewed by a potential employer, they will NOT be able to tell the difference if you graduated from SUNY online or SUNY Albany NY. Think about it, I have a degree from a prospect from IU and one from University of Phoenix, I may interview them both but if they give equally good interviews I hire the IU grad. Online universities are good for people with established careers already working in a technical field, who only need the credential for their current employer. If you want to move to a new company and make MORE money then learn from a real physical university with an online degree program. It is the best way to go to get you to the next level.

[Lawrie Miller]

Online universities are good for people with established careers already working in a technical field, who only need the credential for their current employer. If you want to move to a new company and make MORE money then learn from a real physical university with an online degree program. It is the best way to go to get you to the next level.Intuitively, that does sound right. Yet the now, well over 100,000 graduates of Excelsior College (nee Regents/USNY) do not seem to have suffered so. Given that in addition to being virtual, it is also an assessment institution accepting standardized competency exams up to 100% of degree credit, you'd think the holders of their wares (degrees/certificates) would take a pasting in the market place. Yet there is no evidence of this.

Add the graduates holding degrees from the virtual Charter Oak (COSC), and Thomas Edison (TESC) colleges, and you have an impressively large cohort the does not appear to have suffered under this bias to any significant extent.

Reading resumes, my focus is first and foremost on relevant experience and its currency, or in the case of rookie applicants, other evidence of aptitude with respect to the job's required competencies. Education matters of course, but if they are qualified otherwise, my only real concern is that their degree is from a regionally accredited institution or the foreign equivalent thereof.

If their degree is ivy league, it may catch my eye, but the only circumstance in which it may matter is if it is part of a narrative that demonstrates how they have leveraged native wit and talent to achieve their goals.

If they are affluent, and their father and grandfather attended Yale, and they attended Yale, I'm am neither impressed nor unimpressed. Surely, if the past few years of public life have taught us anything, it is that an Ivy League diploma is not necessarily correlated to on-the-job ability or competence.

If they attended a middling public school yet made it to MIT, or Harvard, or Yale, that would impress me. What would impress more, would be a young man or woman, overcoming an underprivileged upbringing, and working while they earned a degree, from any regionally accredited school - online, offline, part time or full time seat-of-the-pants, it wouldn't matter. For that history speaks eloquently of their grit, determination, ability, and ambition.

Nothing is considered in isolation, however. It is the whole narrative that is considered and what that reveals about the candidate fitness for the job on offer.
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[Scammed]

[QUOTE=Lawrie Miller;5104]
If their degree is Ivy League, it may catch my eye, but the only circumstance in which it may matter is if it is part of a narrative that demonstrates how they have leveraged native wit and talent to achieve their goals.

We have hired Ivy League graduates and had both good and bad experiences. Some have excelled and some have been terminated. Education has never been a suitable substitute for common sense or work ethic.

[QUOTE=Lawrie Miller;5104]
If they are affluent, and their father and grandfather attended Yale, and they attended Yale, I'm am neither impressed nor unimpressed. Surely, if the past few years of public life have taught us anything, it is that an Ivy League diploma is not necessarily correlated to on-the-job ability or competence.

I don't know how you would make that determination based on a resume'. I have never had a legacy alumni place this information on his/her resume'. Also who are you interviewing that mentions "Affluence"?
It's illegal to ask a potential candidate their age, how do you manage to squeeze them for their net worth? This section of your post sounds more like pompous bloviating about your personal feelings than help for people looking for a good on line university or help with an interview.

[QUOTE=Lawrie Miller;5104]
If they attended a middling public school yet made it to MIT, or Harvard, or Yale, that would impress me. What would impress more, would be a young man or woman, overcoming an underprivileged upbringing, and working while they earned a degree, from any regionally accredited school - online, offline, part time or full time seat-of-the-pants, it wouldn't matter. For that history speaks eloquently of their grit, determination, ability, and ambition.

As stated above you can't legally ask a young man or woman about their upbringing unless they volunteer it. Also in most professions we interview people of all ages/races/genders for different positions so age is inconsequential. You post like you only want to hear yourself talk. The bottom line is if you interview with someone who graduated from a traditional university they are going to be slightly biased towards people from that background. This can be overcome many ways, experience is one, knowledge is another, do your homework and know what the company specializes in before you walk into the interview. Read the online monthly trade journals that specialize in the fields you are applying for. Knowing the trade jargon and speaking intelligently is going to get you a lot farther at the interview than some BS story about your upbringing. (Or you can find out what company Lawrie works for and go interview there.)

[QUOTE=Lawrie Miller;5104]
Nothing is considered in isolation, however. It is the whole narrative that is considered and what that reveals about the candidate fitness for the job on offer.

This is total blabber. Potential employees are complete unknowns and as employers there is only so much we can ask you within the law. First impressions are important and find out if the company has an entrance exam. Many companies in my area offer study sessions prior to taking the exams. Sometimes it only comes down to a few points between candidates. So every little bit helps.

[Dennis Ruhl]

Has Scammed become a Scammer?

For someone who is so vulnerable and impressionable, Scammed appears to be an incharge person. He even takes a swipe at DL icon Lawrie.

There are no winners or losers here. It isn't even a contest.

[Scammed]

Absolutely it’s not a contest. I have no intention of besting anyone; in fact my only intention was to help people reading my post get a better job. That being said I spend about an hour a week prior to interviewing potential candidates in a meeting with my Human Resources department. We go over all the legalities of interviewing very carefully by culling any questions that would be inappropriate to ask during an interview. Some for legal reasons and some for liability reasons. And if pointing out that asking a person about their hardship background during an interview is COMPLETLEY AND ABSOLUTLEY INAPPROPRIATE! As is asking how much money they have in the bank, or who their father is and where did he go to school! If taking a swipe at someone who pretends to interview brings a little smile to the reader and the information helps he/she gets a better job…..Oh well. Is Scammed vulnerable and impressionable? As anyone else I suppose. Am I a scammer? Of what exactly? I’m not selling anything nor am I telling anyone where to attend school. All I’m doing is telling them what happened to me and what I look for when I interview. In fact if Lawrie took offense and came right back and told me to go fornicate myself, not only would I not care, I think the readers of the post would still be entertained. No winners, no losers….just humorous information!

[Niteshift]

That being said I spend about an hour a week prior to interviewing potential candidates in a meeting with my Human Resources department. We go over all the legalities of interviewing very carefully by culling any questions that would be inappropriate to ask during an interview. Some for legal reasons and some for liability reasons. And if pointing out that asking a person about their hardship background during an interview is COMPLETLEY AND ABSOLUTLEY INAPPROPRIATE! As is asking how much money they have in the bank, or who their father is and where did he go to school!


Scammed,

It appears to me that you haven't considered that what is true for your particular company or your state may not hold true for everyone and every position.

Take for example applying to be a police officer. The application will ask all those things you claimed a person can't be asked and then some. How many checks you've bounced, what accounts you have, who you owe more than $500 to and the account numbers for those debts are a few. If anyone in your immediate family has ever been arrested and for what. Where you were born, what day you were born, copies of your birth certificate, drivers license, every diploma you have........ I could go on for quite a long time listing all the things that can and are asked for, completely legally, on a daily basis.

And it's not just for police officers. There are other occupations where your standard "you can't ask their age" crap goes out the window. For example, a religious organization can ask your religious affiliation when you apply for employment with them.

So please, before calling people liars, consider that just because you may be quite experienced in your particular field, your experience may not apply to their situation.

[Cedrick(Ctu)]

Wowsers. :)

[Scammed]

So please, before calling people liars, consider that just because you may be quite experienced in your particular field, your experience may not apply to their situation.[/QUOTE]


Yea....right look just call Dr. Phil if you want to give advice OK? LOL (IDGAS)

OK we have and update on Warren National AKA Kennedy Western University as of 8-08 they are NO LONGER accepting students! Nice work everyone I hope (disagreements aside) that people reading here have found the information helpful and spent their hard earned money on a real education elsewhere. After all that is what this web site is all about!

[ShotoJuku]

I hear that KW/WNU is currently being reviewed for RA accreditation and as such stopped enrolling new students in August and will not accept any until the accreditation board has made their decision.

Will RA accreditation satisfy you?

[Scammed]

Regional Accreditation at KW or Warren National or Preston University (or whatever university they morph into this month) would please me tremendously. In fact if by some miracle they ever attained it I promise to hire the first graduate who applies to my company! I’ll go a step further; I promise that if they acquire regional accreditation I will re-enroll as a student and pay them to validate the degree they already gave me (worthless as it is). LOL

But what’s this? They are closing their doors due to their failure to obtain accreditation?! No! I don’t believe it! Yes everyone Kennedy Western is dead as of the end of March (09) and all their students will all be dumped….I mean transferred to another useless unaccredited POS named Preston University in Alabama. My advice to any poor student still enrolled at Warren National is not to spend another nickel of your money with them.