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Old 02-04-2007, 06:38 AM
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Default Paramount University of Technology

Anyone familiar with Paramount University of Technology? Here is the website: http://university.paramount.edu

Is it true that PUT will be closed down by Wyoming Education Dept since their application for DETC accreditation has been rejected?
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Old 02-04-2007, 07:39 AM
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Looks fake ... another diploma mill
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default They'll just have to move - not close...

Unaccredited schools in Wyoming won't be dead -- just homeless. The new law says they have to get accredited IF they want to stay in Wyoming. Nobody's gonna "close them down" with any permanence. Worst-case scenario, someone helps them pack! That said, NOBODY should send this school a DIME! I base that remark partly on its "sins of omission."

As I expected, I notice on their web-page that P.U.T. IS NOT AT ALL FORTHCOMING ABOUT ITS TENUOUS POSITION IN WYOMING. They still advertise that they are a state-licensed private school - with no mention of any aspect of accreditation or that they face "state-level deportation" if it's not achieved - and accreditation indeed appears very unlikely.

On the whole, I expect unaccredited Wyoming schools will just get to MOVE! Where? If they stay in the US, my money's on Alabama, though I've seen a strange spate of bad ..uh "schools" in Missouri lately. I have no idea what, if anything, Missouri has done to deserve 'em.

If any of the "Wyoming unwanted" decide to move offshore, who knows? Seborga, the Seychelles, Liberia, Hutt River? The possibilities are endless....

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Old 02-05-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Claimed DETC Accreditation?

PUT agents in Vietnam convinced potential students by saying that they will get DETC accreditation soon!
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:19 PM
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Studies involved, lacks acceditation=mill?
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:37 PM
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Cheer37, that's very disappointing news about agents in Vietnam hyping the possibility of DETC accreditation before-the-fact.

This is EXACTLY the kind of unscrupulous conduct that can tarnish the name of reputable American schools overseas. DETC itself discourages applicants from even mentioning that they are seeking accreditation in their advertising or other materials.

Among other reasons, DETC doesn't want schools to encourage what could turn out to be false hopes, as in this case. Accreditation is NEVER a sure thing. Sales tactics like these make me view Paramount as a VERY bad school -regardless of their curriculum.

Ahmed, your remark about "studies + no accreditation = mill?" intrigues me.

When I do the math, "studies + no accreditation = Breyer State!"

(By your own admission, you pursued studies there, took courses, and as we both know, they have no accreditation - none recognized, anyway!)

According to your logic (not mine) , Breyer State must be a "mill."

What say you?

Johann
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Old 02-06-2007, 02:48 PM
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If Paramount University of Technology closed-down in Wyoming, I guess they will move either to Seborga, Liberia, Hutt River or St Kitt?

High chance they will move to St Kitt as what their sister university did. When Southern Pacific University closed by Hawaii Government, they move offshore to St Kitt.
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Old 02-06-2007, 05:24 PM
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Hi All

Johann, I am not saying that Paramount Uni. is a mill or is not a mill, what I am trying to do there was open a debate on whethere place where there are studies involved are mills or not.

IMO if a place where vigorous studies are involved, irrespective if the place is accredited or not, would not be a mill.

As opposed to a place where degrees are issued to you by submitting a CV. That is a mill.

This would take us back to where we first started, "Accreditation" is it necessary?

So, in my opinion, I am not going to comment on whether Paramount is a mill or not a mill, that would be up to an individual to decide, but they must be given the facts on the school e.g. what they offer, fees, methods of tution, an accreditation of a school, etc. , and the final decision is left to the individual, and its their money, that is being spend wisely or not

After all, some people love mills. a some hate them (like Johann).

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Old 02-06-2007, 10:08 PM
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Hi Ahmed -

Sorry I mistook your meaning and no - I certainly wouldn't characterize Breyer State as a mill. No sir, not at all....

I think the most accepted definition of a "mill" is an ...er "school" that sells degrees -very little or no work involved. The type of school that demands NO work or gives you a "doctorate" for a 5-10 page thesis, or a bachelor's for a couple of book reports etc.

A school that requires a reasonable effort and won't let you graduate until that effort is successful is NOT a "mill," by the above definition. It MAY be unaccredited, it MAY/MAY NOT be substandard, but it is not a mill. It MAY even be crooked, imo, if it takes large sums from people for a degree of very limited value and tells them bald-faced lies about what it will do for them in the world. Yes, a school can be villainous, dishonest and worthless without being a mill.

OR IT CAN SOMETIMES BE GOOD, I'M TOLD. You yourself say you learned lots at Breyer State and Brian likes his learning experience at U. of Atlanta. OK, I have no reason to argue or say anything against your choice of schools - and you do the same for me, please...

Take credit, both of you, for finding a school that suits your needs and doing your work diligently. A lot of times, the student shapes his learning experience more than the school, by what he/she puts into it.

Summary -- I think ALL mills are bad. Unaccredited schools run the gamut - from mills to pretty good, although they generally all suffer, to SOME degree or other when it comes to utility (employment etc.) - with a few exceptions, like certain SCUPS degrees we've talked about in other threads.

And yes - I'll even say that SOME unaccredited schools are just "yet-to-be accredited" schools! (And if I knew which ones, I'd tell you!)

Cheers!

Johann


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Old 02-07-2007, 07:21 PM
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HI

We all misunderstand, or interpret things differently, so dont feel bad. And I am glad to hear that you dont see Breyer State as a mill.

you correctly pointed out that any school, that confers degrees with no, or very little work is a MILL, which I would agree with, e.g. Almeda, Suffield, etc.

MILLS are very bad, as you correctly pointed out, take peoples hard earn cash, take them for rides, and gives them 8 wortless pieces of paper.

And I think Brian is very happy with his school of choice, maybe he has landed in a good paying job, thanks to his degree from U. of Atlanta.

Well, BSU degree has not landed me into any lucrative paying job, but it has certainly helped in running my business a bit differently, and other aspects to vast to mention, thus improving profits. And a lecturing post that pays good, not lucrative.

And, as you and I know all good schools starts off unaccredited.
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