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Old 12-27-2008, 01:16 AM
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What IAO and what is GESFWA and OEAC? How do I check their credibility?
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I know you can try checking these agencies at www.chea.org. If you are not in the states you can try your own educational agency or equivalent to CHEA to see if a degree from Must would be accepted.

Must appears to be an unaccredited institution that has set upt its own accreditation agency to accredit its programs, I would probably avoid Must like the plague. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:59 PM
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How do I check if a valid accrediton org. which is international.
" international accreditation" is often degree-mill speak.
Every country (and often every territory/state etc WITHIN the country ) plays according to its own rules.
What may be ok in Germany may not be ok in China.
There are a few institutions accredited in 2 or more states (EX Athabasca ), but that just means that individual university happens to satisfy two sets of requirements at the same time.
It all boils down to the 'identity' of the degree...A Open University degree is a UK degree, period: an Athabasca degree can be played as a Canadian or a USA degree.
Which is the government that gives its seal of approval to 'internationally accredited' degrees?
Degree mills play the unsuspecting using USA coded speak...
The vast majority of situations WORLDWIDE see States (or sub-states like provinces or Laender ) lending credibility to their own degrees, not privately owned and operated 'accrediting bodies' as in the USA.
Few 'double degrees' schemes exist, through which a degree is simultaneously awarded by and carries the mention of two different universities (EX one in Canada, one in France )...but that strictly concerns THOSE TWO universities.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:36 AM
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:43 AM
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If you mean from an unaccredited online university to a DETC or RA school, the quick answer is that it's next to impossible.

MUST University courses or credits won't transfer to any real school. Avoid it like a communicable disease.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:58 AM
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I just noticed the school mentioned on another site where I'm treated like a typhoid carrier. I looked up their masters degree in history and the ten subject titles looked like subjects taken in an associates degree.

126 Sociology 6 Credits
SS-310 Economics 6 Credits
SS-489 English literature 6 Credits
SS-716 Mass communication 6 Credits
AAS-902 World History 6 Credits
HIS-077 Introduction to History 6 Credits
HIS-131 World History II 6 Credits View Detail
HIS-340 Advanced American History 6 Credits
HIS-344 Twentieth Century America 6 Credits
HIS-897 Western Civilization II 6 Credits

What I'm wondering is how "must university" shows 30,000 hits on Google and no-one has ever heard of it or its accreditor. I must be getting a lot of results from something else.
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Old 03-29-2009, 04:55 PM
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Hi everybody,

I think that only one group whoever is behind these four sites


http://www.mustuniversity.com
http://www.oeacommission.org/
http://www.internationalaccreditation.org/
http://www.gesfwa.org/

No Names
No any addresses for any place on the earth!

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Old 04-15-2009, 09:58 PM
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take a look of this. I had a chat conversation with one of them (I think that he is always the same):

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Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Michael Clark'

Dupond Nicolas: hello Mr.Lazarus

Chat InformationPlease wait while I transfer the chat to 'David Lazarus'.

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'David Lazarus'

David Lazarus: Hi there Mr. Nicolas...

Dupond Nicolas: Hello Mr. Lazarus

David Lazarus: I'm going to transfer you to another counselor Mr. Clark... he'll assist you through the whole process.

Dupond Nicolas: I'm interested in an MSc in CS

David Lazarus: One moment please...

Chat InformationPlease wait while I transfer the chat to 'Michael Clark'.

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Michael Clark'

Dupond Nicolas: Hello

Michael Clark: Hi

Dupond Nicolas: I'm interested in an MSc in CS

Michael Clark: This is Michael Clark the education counselor

Michael Clark: Okay I will help you out with that and complete your enrollment

Michael Clark: May I have your full name,email address and telhpone number please?

Dupond Nicolas: I have some question before I enroll

Michael Clark: Sure please ask

Dupond Nicolas: Firstly I'd like to know if the university is officially accredited and licensed and in which country

Dupond Nicolas: I'm asking because it is my employer who will pay for the master

Dupond Nicolas: and he want to know

Michael Clark: Okay we are nationally and internationally accredited and are accepted and recognized around the world,in US,Canada and Europe aswell

Michael Clark: No problems with recognitions at all whatsoever

Dupond Nicolas: where is the university's location?

Michael Clark: We also have a very high numbers of students from middle east aswell

Michael Clark: The university is based in san francisco CA but we are only online,100% online with offices across the globe

Michael Clark: Do you have your bachelors completed Dupond?

Dupond Nicolas: I'm sorry for asking all these questions but in the past I was victim of a fake online university and now I'm paying attention...you see I'm not from USA

Michael Clark: Oh,sorry to hear that

Michael Clark: What university was that?

Dupond Nicolas: concordia college and university

Dupond Nicolas:

Michael Clark: Never heard of that actually

Dupond Nicolas: it's a scam

Dupond Nicolas: btw

Michael Clark: btw?

Dupond Nicolas: what is the history of the university?

Michael Clark: We have been in the education business for the past 17 years as a regular high school and university but it has been only 1 1/2 years that we went 100% online internationally

Dupond Nicolas: 17 years? I searched a little bit in the net but I cannot find more information about must university

Michael Clark: Yes before that it was a local high school in CA

Dupond Nicolas: under the same name?

Michael Clark: No

Michael Clark: It was a different name which I do not remember right now

Michael Clark: There was a strong need for a flexible, self-paced, online educational institution for working adults so that they can study along with their jobs and excel in their careers and professional development. We believe the need for MUST University was a must and so we are called MUST University.

Michael Clark: Our Logo also represents this vision through its rising sun, bursting with education that lights the world regardless of global boundaries.

Michael Clark: Thats what the owners felt the need and hence MUST came into being

Michael Clark: So are you ready to enroll now Dupond?

Dupond Nicolas: What about your accreditation?

Dupond Nicolas: International Accreditation Organization

Michael Clark: Yes this is our accreditation body

Dupond Nicolas: only yours???

Dupond Nicolas: I cannot find any other university accredited by IAO

Michael Clark: This organization only accredits the international online high schools and universities

Michael Clark: Go to their wesbite

Michael Clark: website*

Michael Clark: Or call them up

Dupond Nicolas: ok thank you

Dupond Nicolas: what about know the MSc in CS?

Dupond Nicolas: I hold a BSc

Dupond Nicolas: and an MSc in network security

Michael Clark: Great

Michael Clark: So you want to go and do the MS again in CS?

Dupond Nicolas: yes, computer science

Michael Clark: Okay lets complete your enrollment now Dupond

Michael Clark: Please provide me your email address and telephone number?

Dupond Nicolas: can I transfer some credits from my previous studies?

Michael Clark: Do you have the transcripts?

Michael Clark: Yes you sure acn

Michael Clark: can*

Dupond Nicolas: yes I have all the transcripts

Michael Clark: Thats great

Dupond Nicolas: what will be the minimum tuition and duration ?

Michael Clark: The MS in CS has 10 courses in total and it will take 10 months of maximum time to complete it otherwise if you want you can complete it in 6 months aswell

Michael Clark: One course has to be completed in one month

Michael Clark: there is no minimum time,tests are available all the times during the month

Dupond Nicolas: what about the courses?

Michael Clark: Here is the list of the courses included

Michael Clark: CS-058 Information technology 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: CS-392 Computer science 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: CS-417 Computing Concepts 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: CS-605 IT project Management 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: CS-883 Network management 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark:

Michael Clark: Specialized Education Courses:

Michael Clark: Course Code Course Name Credit Hours Course Description

Michael Clark: COS-175 Advanced Data Structures 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: COS-190 Database Management 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: COS-420 Advanced E-commerce 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: COS-740 Advanced Programming 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark: CS-941 Advanced Computer Science 6 Credits View Detail

Michael Clark:

Michael Clark:

Dupond Nicolas: do you offer some textbooks?

Michael Clark: No books required,all the study material is provided to the students in their classrooms

Dupond Nicolas: I have 6 years in IT field

Dupond Nicolas: Do you offer life experience degree?

Michael Clark: No

Michael Clark: You have to stuidy and pass all the courses to get the masters degree

Chat InformationPlease wait while I transfer the chat to 'Glen Smith'.

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Glen Smith'

Dupond Nicolas: You can get credits for your prior learning (your work/life experience, trainings etc.). If you already have strong command in some courses through your work experience, prior knowledge or trainings, etc. you can get their credits! So you won’t have to study that course. This will reduce both your tuition and time required to complete your education.

Glen Smith: how are you Dupond?

Glen Smith: Yes you can get credits for your past working experience

Glen Smith: and even get a better financial aid discount upon enrollment

Dupond Nicolas: That's nice, how can I benefit this fincancial aid?

Glen Smith: what we can do is upon enrollment a advisor needs to apply for a transfer and finanical aid for work experience

Glen Smith: is that fine with you so we can move forward

Dupond Nicolas: how it works normally?

Glen Smith: we look at your working experience

Glen Smith: past education

Glen Smith: etc

Dupond Nicolas: you know I'm trying to get an MSc afap

Glen Smith: Msc i understand ive read the conversation above

Dupond Nicolas: so i'll transfer all my previous credits and I want to evaluate my work experience

Glen Smith: and i will assist you interms of your goals

Glen Smith: yes

Glen Smith: that can happen both at the same time

Glen Smith: these are the step after then enrollment which i will do for you

Dupond Nicolas: do you have a specific location in San Francisco?

Dupond Nicolas: I cannot find your address on the website

Glen Smith: right this is a online school.

Glen Smith: so online schools do not require an address

Glen Smith: there fore there is not a complete address

Glen Smith: there are only admin offices

Dupond Nicolas: where exactly? I'm asking as I'm planning to visit USA this summer

Dupond Nicolas: I could come from there

Glen Smith: okay

Glen Smith: i will provide you the address once you are a student.

Glen Smith: It is only given to students

Glen Smith: incase of filling paper works

Glen Smith: in your case i understand which is fine

Dupond Nicolas: why it is a secret the university's address? I have already 3 online degrees and every university has it's address published

Glen Smith: yes and what are the 3 names of those schools?

Dupond Nicolas: penn foster college

Dupond Nicolas: American University

Dupond Nicolas: Ashworth university

Glen Smith: some of the schools you mentioned i just browsed the website
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:58 PM
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Glen Smith: are also a physical campus school

Glen Smith: which is understandable to show the address

Glen Smith: Must is a complete online school

Glen Smith: We do not have a physical campus

Dupond Nicolas: yes but they are online schools, only

Glen Smith: it is a online school

Dupond Nicolas: I do not understand why it is a secret to publish the address of your administration offices

Dupond Nicolas:

Glen Smith: because its just an admin office i am sorry

Glen Smith: that is the rule here

Glen Smith: which i have to follow

Glen Smith: if you become a student i be glad to give you the address

Glen Smith: right now

Glen Smith: right here

Glen Smith: now that is no secret is it then

Dupond Nicolas: A little bit strange but...as you wish...

Glen Smith: okay

Dupond Nicolas: do you have a university catalog?

Glen Smith: a welcome packet will be sent to France upon enrollment

Glen Smith: which will be given to you at your doorstep

Glen Smith: with id cards and brochure

Glen Smith: you can view all the info you need which is on the website otherwise you can ask me

Glen Smith: what is your email address

Glen Smith: and phone number Dupond

Dupond Nicolas:

Dupond Nicolas: how did you know about my country?

Glen Smith: Michael had mentioned to me

Dupond Nicolas: oo ok

Glen Smith: i will provide you a student id and pw

Glen Smith: if you want now

Glen Smith: so you can login and take the 1st course for free

Glen Smith: which we offer

Glen Smith: free financial aid

Glen Smith: and student area access free

Dupond Nicolas: wow, that's cool

Glen Smith: what is your phone number

Dupond Nicolas: I'd like to test it, yes...If i'll be satisfied I'll try to bring some colleagues also.

Glen Smith: sure

Glen Smith: and we will complete your credit transfer now as well

Dupond Nicolas: I'm at work actually, I'm system operator so I'm working night

Glen Smith: that is fine you can login and when ever you need to

Glen Smith: i will just show you the classroom now

Glen Smith: so you can start the 1st course once you get time

Dupond Nicolas: did you send me the login?

Glen Smith: i will activate your area now

Glen Smith: the enrollment fee is only for $199

Dupond Nicolas: cool

Dupond Nicolas: ok

Glen Smith: can you pay via cc or debit card?

Glen Smith: in france do you use visa or mastercard?

Dupond Nicolas: mastercard

Glen Smith: what is the expiration date on the mastercard?

Glen Smith: your student area is not active yet

Glen Smith: i will provide you the password now

Dupond Nicolas: 2010

Glen Smith: so you can login

Glen Smith: what is the last 3 digit numbers on the back of your card

Glen Smith: your cvc code

Dupond Nicolas: but why are you asking these info?

Dupond Nicolas: Are you kidding me?

Glen Smith: this is the enrollment fee

Glen Smith: which is for $199 which needs to be charged to began

Dupond Nicolas: I will never give you sucj kind information by the chat room

Glen Smith: the enrollment fee is usually of $750

Glen Smith: but you can began by paying only $199 to start

Dupond Nicolas: give me a secure payment link and I will proceed to the payment

Glen Smith: sure but to apply for the financial aid and free credit transfer i would have to complete all this for you.

Glen Smith: it is recomended by an advisor to assist its student

Glen Smith: can i have your phone number please?

Dupond Nicolas: yes but not to ask the credit card number in a chat room

Glen Smith: okay let me call you

Glen Smith: so i can explain as well

Glen Smith: what is your number

Dupond Nicolas: xxxxxxxxx

Dupond Nicolas: it is at work

Glen Smith: although it is a 100% secure chat. we receive cc info daily

Dupond Nicolas: it's not a secure chat this one

Glen Smith: i am calling

Dupond Nicolas: what is the security fingerprint?

Glen Smith: no one is answering

Glen Smith: i am calling

Dupond Nicolas: are you sure?

Glen Smith: let try again

Glen Smith: i hear only voice mails

Glen Smith: do you have another number

Dupond Nicolas: it's strange

Glen Smith: can you call me now

Dupond Nicolas: I'm here and it didn't rung

Glen Smith: 1-866-533-6878

Dupond Nicolas: Maybe I cannot accept international call as I'm working an a DC

Dupond Nicolas: wait to try

Glen Smith: do you have a another number

Dupond Nicolas: it is the same but it ends by 61

Glen Smith: this is a 100% secure chat

Glen Smith: i can guarantee this Dupond

Glen Smith: we get credit and debit card information daily

Glen Smith: hourly

Glen Smith: and so far there are no issues at all

Glen Smith: you can trust me i am a senior advisor at the university

Dupond Nicolas: :d

Dupond Nicolas: no tunnel detected

Dupond Nicolas: no encryption

Dupond Nicolas: no fingerprint

Dupond Nicolas: so?

Glen Smith: this is secured by the best network in the all 50 state

Glen Smith: no one else can see the information besides me

Glen Smith: and once i submitt that on my system it will be erased automatically

Dupond Nicolas: neither your website is secured

Dupond Nicolas: who is your certificate distributor?

Glen Smith: it is 100% secure i can guarantee on that

Glen Smith: if you want to enroll online fine

Glen Smith: go ahead

Glen Smith: but please dont expect any discounts or free financial aid or free credit transfer

Glen Smith: because that is dont manually with a advisor

Glen Smith: you dont need the discount

Dupond Nicolas: you don't even have an https

Glen Smith: you made a application online

Glen Smith: i just see

Dupond Nicolas: yeah...i know...no certification, no encryption

Glen Smith: Dupond it is a complete safe way to pay

Glen Smith: if you want

Glen Smith: you can double check with your bank

Glen Smith: how much money is taken out as well

Glen Smith: i will stay right here

Glen Smith: bcause i guarantee on what i say

Glen Smith: that is why i am a SENIOR ADVISOR

Glen Smith: so far we have no problems regarding this

Glen Smith: you are the 1st one?

Dupond Nicolas: your website is not secure, I repeat....never mind I'll see with the authorities about this scam

Glen Smith: you are misunderstanding

Glen Smith: everything is legit and fine with Must

Glen Smith: there is no doubt about that

Glen Smith: becuase i had been providing my services for a while

Glen Smith: and i have not come across this much so far

Glen Smith: you are the first one

Glen Smith: please do not worry
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:04 PM
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It was amazing how did he insist at the end in order to give him my CC number

It smells, BELFORD here. take a look on the email of their accreditation agancy, "care@Internationalaccreditation.org" it starts by "care" as like in belford, rochville etc



nice try M-U-S-T

ps: matthewsmith I think its the same operator.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:40 PM
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Yikes! Good sleuthing!!!
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