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Old 06-08-2010, 09:13 AM
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Default Graduates of nationally accredited schools going to regionally accredited gradschool

Hi all,
I know that many regionally accredited schools do not accept graduates of nationally accredited schools into there master's and doctoral programs. However, I've heard rumors that things are slowing changing and some regionally accredited schools now do accept such students. Does anyone know if there is any truth to these rumor? I would like to know what regionally accredited schools will accept graduates of NA schools. Can anyone give me a list of schools around the country that will accept graduates from schools like DeVry University, University of Phoenix, etc? Thanks in advance for your reply.
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Old 06-08-2010, 05:41 PM
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Default DeVry and U. Phoenix are both RA!

Hi

UoP is NOT an NA school. Neither is DeVry U.

U. of Phoenix has been Regionally Accredited since 1978. See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Phoenix

DeVry U. is also RA - I'm not sure of the date.

There's a good thread on another forum with quite a list of RA schools that accept NA grads. I'll be back shortly with a link.

(1 hr. later) Oh yeah, here's one:

http://zoomthrucollege.blogspot.com/...t-from-na.html

The one I was looking for was an old one on Degreeboard. (Thread #975, to be exact) but that forum's archive will no longer bring it up for me. If you want more, just Google "RA schools that accept NA" and a boatload of stuff appears. Some of it may actually be useful!

Hope this helps.

Johann

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Old 06-14-2010, 04:15 PM
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Graduate schools that are non profit or public university have competitive entry requirements. Many require GMAT, GRE, Letters of recommendation, Essays and interviews.
One major factor is GPA and achievement during the earning of the undergraduate degree. School name recognition of the undergraduate degree is also a factor.
The point is that RA degree holders have to compete for entry in to such Graduate school and I know many RA degree holders who failed to enter their graduate school of choice and settled for something else..

Now there are for profit making private universities chains (franchises) such as UoP and others we see heavily advertise. These schools have less challenging entry requirements and many accept RA and NA undergrads.
To graduate from this schools is not easy and they do require hard work.

Now there are 4 universities that hold dual accreditation. RA and DETC.

There is also a network of ACE evaluated credit schools that have higher % to be accepted by member ACE CREDIT service. Pen Foster a DETC accredited education provider had it courses ACE evaluated.

WGU, APU, AMU, and Ellis University.

These universities have no discrimination between NA or RA applicants.
They may have GPA requirements and some other requirements but these are equal to RA and NA graduates.

Any student who wishes to transfer to WGU gets generous transfer of credit.

Another area often overlooked is that many non US universities, such as in Canada, UK and other EU countries and SA also accept NA graduates in to their Graduate schools.

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Old 06-14-2010, 06:57 PM
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Hi

"Another area often overlooked is that many non US universities, such as in Canada, UK and other EU countries and SA also accept NA graduates in to their Graduate schools" (emphasis Mine - Johann)

I'm not disputing your statement, Baraban, but do you know of any Canadian Universities accepting NA grads into their graduate degree programs? I live here and I don't... but I may be behind the times and there are some newer schools now, like Thompson-Rivers U. in BC and University of Ontario, Institute of Technology, the first for-profit university in the province where I live. (Yes, I can see how a NA technology degree might work well there - but I don't actually know if one does!) I'm excluding, of course, the two DETC-accredited distance-shops allowed to operate in New Brunswick - outside that province's traditional framework. Those are Meritus U. and Lansbridge U.

I admit, the last time I looked was a while ago -- but it wasn't a good situation then, for NA grads. In fact, there was (and may still be) at least one school that would not recognize ANY DL degree, no matter which school conferred it. (That was/is McGill U., Montreal.)

Can you enlighten me?

Johann

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Old 06-15-2010, 06:54 PM
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I'm working with a guy who is from Toronto and he is in MBA programthere in Toronto University. As a consultant he is spending more time in USA.
He transfered 101 RA credits in to World College and completed there BEET degree - additional 38 credits. He had TESC AS degree in TEchnology and some credits from Canadian university I don't remeber now.
So his situation is different.

It is also interesting case of another DETC graduate who had his degree evaluated as comparible to Canadian degree by WES Canada.
He was accepted for further study in to Canadian university.

I know Athabasca seems not to accept DETC credits.
So its case by case.

Lansbridge University in New Brunswick as mentioned is not an issue.

University of Ottawa accepts DETC degrees.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:19 PM
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Default Good to know. Thanks!

Hi Baraban -

Thanks for the update. Good to know that Canadian acceptance of NA degrees is increasing. To me, that's as it should be. Obviously, acceptance in Canada is not universal. Then again, although the situation improves every year, it's still far from universal at RA schools in the US....

As for Athabasca, its policy may (or may not) have something to do with the fact that Athabasca also has RA accreditation, to attract US distance-learners. As it's an RA school, I'd guess applicants from NA schools might get course-by-course credit at Athabasca for their ACE-reviewed relevant courses...but, as I said, that's just a guess.

Again, thanks for your valuable information.

Johann

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Old 06-15-2010, 07:29 PM
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As for Athabasca, its policy may (or may not) have something to do with the fact that Athabasca also has RA accreditation, to attract US distance-learners. As it's an RA school, I'd guess applicants from NA schools might get course-by-course credit at Athabasca for their ACE-reviewed relevant courses...but, as I said, that's just a guess.
Asked the direct question whether they accept DETC credit, they simply refused to answer in my case.
You'll find that some DL schools are more fussy and aloof when dealing with other DL schools' credits than one's average B&M school. Which just doesn't make any sense. It's like the 180kg guy who teases the 200kg guy calling him obese...

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at least one school that would not recognize ANY DL degree, no matter which school conferred it. (That was/is McGill U., Montreal.)
PFFT!
A bunch of cretins...at least when I was there.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:43 PM
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Hi Baraban -

Thanks for the update. Good to know that Canadian acceptance of NA degrees is increasing. To me, that's as it should be. Obviously, acceptance in Canada is not universal. Then again, although the situation improves every year, it's still far from universal at RA schools in the US....

As for Athabasca, its policy may (or may not) have something to do with the fact that Athabasca also has RA accreditation, to attract US distance-learners. As it's an RA school, I'd guess applicants from NA schools might get course-by-course credit at Athabasca for their ACE-reviewed relevant courses...but, as I said, that's just a guess.

Again, thanks for your valuable information.

Johann
Johann,
The situation in CA is closer to what you say then universal acceptance.
Overall improvement is not yet significant but its is a trend.

Also there are active forces in the RA accreditation world that actually act to
demising the validity of NA accreditors.

Such actions as letters or emails from different University (RA) figures to agencies overseas.

NARIC got number of letters from the regionals claiming NA's are not to the level. NARIC officially denies such communication but people work at NARIC and seen such letters, got such phone calls and emails.

NARIC UK refuses to provide their reasons for not reviewing NA degrees.

After my post here a good lady friend at WES CA told me that they been contacted by some professor who was surprised to read that WES evaluated NA degree as comparable to Canadian one.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:23 PM
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Johann,

After my post here a good lady friend at WES CA told me that they been contacted by some professor who was surprised to read that WES evaluated NA degree as comparable to Canadian one.
It wasn't a certain physics professor we all know, was it? Sure sounds like him...

Johann

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Old 06-16-2010, 07:45 PM
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It wasn't a certain physics professor we all know, was it? Sure sounds like him...
There is a way to know...
1. Ask him whether spring rolls are phallic...
2. Ask him how many people did it take to write the doctoral dissertation that went down under his name...
2a. If he answers more than 10 and less than 20 you got the right guy
3. Secret question: what's the month's special offer on that great gay site run by an authority on distance learning who mentored him...

I always tell my mom when she says I spend too much time online..."you have no idea what sort of fantastic people you meet online"...

I mean, seriously...talking academic standards with someone who needed to co-write a dissertation with the entire little league team...only over the internet.
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