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Old 04-29-2009, 06:21 PM
Mr.Degree Mr.Degree is offline
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Dear Ham,

How are you?

I think that you are not logical and refuse to see the facts. It is Clear that:

-They are a 5 years old French University. In France the word "université" is by Law reserved to public universties. (HEC, Ecoles de cadres are private and are not "université").
Universite is french for university. As I mentioned in another forum, do you not think it is unethical for sorbon to refer to itself as a 5 year old university when sorbon calls itself an ecole (school). HEC does correctly refer to itself as an ecole ( business school ) and does not call itself a universite ( university ).

Please note that a representative of sorbon ( Zurich ) has referred to itself as a university.

http://www.degreediscussion.com/foru...php?f=2&t=6690
http://www.degreediscussion.com/foru...php?f=2&t=6672


Careful degree.net or sorbon may sue you and everyone in this forum.

http://www.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=30734

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Old 04-29-2009, 07:38 PM
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-They are a 5 years old French University. In France the word "université" is by Law reserved to public universties. (HEC, Ecoles de cadres are private and are not "université").
and you ask ME?!
It wasn't me who chose the name "université Robert de Sorbon"...your employer did. Proof? Search older versions of the website. Period.

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L'Université francophone Robert de Sorbon est accréditée par l'académie Anjouan Union des Comores, membre de l'agence intergouvernentale de la francophonie.
-...-
Université Nord Américaine sans but lucratif observant les règles d'équivalences universitaires de la Loi du 17 janvier 2002 et des USA (USCIS)
http://web.archive.org/web/200501231...sorbonedu.com/

See?
I don't have to be a physics professor to do that.

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In France the word "université" is by Law reserved to public universties. (HEC, Ecoles de cadres are private and are not "université").
But you are now telling me that the designation "université" your employers formerly adopted was incorrect and illegal...good to know. Did you inform all "graduates" of Université francophone Robert de Sorbon ?

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You may dislike the French Educational system or consider badly the VAE. It is your right. The facts shows that de Sorbon is a regular French private institution of higher education. The quality of its Jury members (including a Vice-Rector, Dean, 3 directors of the French departments of public universities, Ph.D from the "French Sorbonnes" and top Universities), is also reassuring on their VAE process.
1 I don't care about VAE or the French educational system; it just doesn't interest me.
2 My information about ESRDS standing tells me another story.
3 I could hire Harrison Ford to teach acting at my $299 BVI degree mill...if I had money to pay him.

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Old 04-30-2009, 01:18 PM
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More fun facts about the Sorbon franchise:
http://online.degree.net/accredited-...drag-3426.html
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Old 05-01-2009, 05:59 PM
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Default Interesting facts about Ecole supérieure Robert de sorbon



ANNUAIRE OFFICIEL DE l'ENSEIGNEMENT PRIVE
http://www.enseignement-prive.info/r...&Departement2=

DOCEOS FRANCE http://www.doceos.com/france

Registered under SIREN and SIRET Numbers code APE 803Z Enseignement Supérieur

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Old 05-01-2009, 07:08 PM
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Official sites of the French government have a .gouv.fr extension.
Université francophone Robert de Sorbon alternatively called Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is an ASSOCIATION legally operating in France under law 1901...nothing more.
Do not trust me...see their own website:
http://www.sorbon.fr/enseignants.html
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Association Ecole Supérieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon,
Tel: +33**3
The Sorbon franchise extends to the following doubtful "services"...

UNIVERSITY OF SAINT MARTIN
SAINT AUGUSTIN UNIVERSITY
CEEDE.COM [Evaluation Services]

Really an impressive "cradle to grave" service...
The more they stir this, the faster search engines will index it...
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:15 AM
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Official sites of the French government have a .gouv.fr extension.
Université francophone Robert de Sorbon alternatively called Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is an ASSOCIATION legally operating in France under law 1901...nothing more.
Do not trust me...see their own website:
http://www.sorbon.fr/enseignants.html
Address:



The Sorbon franchise extends to the following doubtful "services"...

UNIVERSITY OF SAINT MARTIN
SAINT AUGUSTIN UNIVERSITY

CEEDE.COM [Evaluation Services]

Really an impressive "cradle to grave" service...
The more they stir this, the faster search engines will index it...
Hey, you forgot universite de Wallis.

JEAN-NOEL PRADE, CHRISTIAN J PRADE, JEAN-NOEL CRESTA, JOHN THOMAS.
It seems that each of these (sub) personalities wants its own school. So, for the time being we have four schools - ESRDS, Wallis, Saint Martin, and Saint Augustin - one for each of them. But, as the sub-personalities may keep multiplying so will the schools.

It all becomes even stranger if you check Prade's background. He is a former French judge and in his first years in the equivalency evaluation business, both he and his agency were well regarded and quite successful. What, then, made Prade start inventing multiple identities and multiple schools?
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:53 AM
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It all becomes even stranger if you check Prade's background. He is a former French judge and in his first years in the equivalency evaluation business, both he and his agency were well regarded and quite successful. What, then, made Prade start inventing multiple identities and multiple schools?
It's a matter of chance, but if one hits the right nerve with appropriate gimmicks and a veneer of credibility to appease the sucker's gut instinct, it is 95% profit from whatever fee is charged.
1000$ translates into 950$ net gain, because all their are out are a few sheets of premium paper, laser toner and a few $15-a-year domains.
The blame for the success partly rests with dubious websites that -under the cover of chasing mills- give press to selected ones under the pretext of debating fine points of doctrine the resident pundits ignore anyways; bad press is press nonetheless, eh? It is known that 'worldwide distance education authorities' bargained with millists favorable entries in their 'unbiased guides running the 32th edition'.
Misguided but well-meaning or just crooks wanting a cut?
If diplomats from Liberia & other countries accepted kickbacks to lend credibility to questionable schools, why wouldn't pundits residing at dodgy websites funded with porn or financial frauds?
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Old 05-04-2009, 05:56 PM
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Default Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon is a Fraud

Zboubi

Are you a member of ESRDS? I'm surprise that you think highly of this Fraudulent organisation. Perhaps you can enlighten me on my bad experience with them.
I was gullible enough to believe what ESRDS offer genuine accredited degrees to eligible working adults with vast working experiences. When I first contacted them, their responses were very fast and efficient. Accordingly I had submitted my detailed profile for assessment and was promised of a Master Degree. Upon released of the full payment, I receive a number of emails confirming and keep reassuring me that my diploma will be sent out by courier to me within 60 days. Unfortunately the diploma never arrived. I only realized that I have been con after my repeated attempts to reach them fall on deaf ears. They don't even have the courtesy to respond to my emails after the 60 days period knowing that I can't reclaim for refund from my credit card company.
I am totally pissed by this irresponsible organization out there cheating people of their hard earn money without doing a thing. What do you think is the best action I should take? I hope the authority can stop them from continuing cheating others. For prospective students, I strongly recommend that you avoid this unscrupulous organization.


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I think that this forum was serious For me the école Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is a 5 years old private French institution that use the legal VAE procedure and is allowed to grant degrees. Its only my opinion but the list of their professors is impressive and includes a Vice-Rector and Dean of a famous Latin-American University and several Ph.D. graduates from "la Sorbonne".

It is very sad (if true) that French public universities are selling, in great numbers Public French degrees to Chinese students. It is seen as a catastrophy in France and enhances the already legal status of French Private universities.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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Zboubi

Are you a member of ESRDS? I'm surprise that you think highly of this Fraudulent organisation. Perhaps you can enlighten me on my bad experience with them.
I was gullible enough to believe what ESRDS offer genuine accredited degrees to eligible working adults with vast working experiences. When I first contacted them, their responses were very fast and efficient. Accordingly I had submitted my detailed profile for assessment and was promised of a Master Degree. Upon released of the full payment, I receive a number of emails confirming and keep reassuring me that my diploma will be sent out by courier to me within 60 days. Unfortunately the diploma never arrived. I only realized that I have been con after my repeated attempts to reach them fall on deaf ears. They don't even have the courtesy to respond to my emails after the 60 days period knowing that I can't reclaim for refund from my credit card company.
I am totally pissed by this irresponsible organization out there cheating people of their hard earn money without doing a thing. What do you think is the best action I should take? I hope the authority can stop them from continuing cheating others. For prospective students, I strongly recommend that you avoid this unscrupulous organization.

I don't believe they would intentionally cheat anyone because the difference between the cost of compliance and non-compliance is the price of postage. That said, if there is a problem, they should figure it out.
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM
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What do you think is the best action I should take? I hope the authority can stop them from continuing cheating others. For prospective students, I strongly recommend that you avoid this unscrupulous organization.
Dispute the credit card charge and get a refund.

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I don't believe they would intentionally cheat anyone because the difference between the cost of compliance and non-compliance is the price of postage. That said, if there is a problem, they should figure it out.
The reason you haven't received your diploma is because one of the eminent members of the high-standing jury staffed with world authorities hasn't turned in his report yet...you know, things like advising the UN may get in the way of consulting for prestigious "école Sorbon"...
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