Hi all,
Just seen another link with more details.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/mari...LIQSF13I8L3H7Q

Regards,

I think this applies to Florida only. There are still places in the US where a Canterbury University could land someone in jail if they tried using credentials and degrees from there.

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Dear Friends,
It means that we cant see the scanned images of the CU degrees? Where is dear INTIME who wants to show us the degrees? Truly speaking, I cant understand the US educational system. If one state is saying CU is a diploma mill why other state is saying that it is legal? It means the residents of Florida can use the degrees of CU whereas the Oregon residents cant! Isnt it?
Well! If this is the case than why we waste our time talking about the accredited and non accredited institutions? First of all we have to set our standards up all over the country and then we can say something. Disappointed!

Regards,

Hi there,

I hope this sheds some light on the matter.

I studied at Canterbury University, Cheshire from the year 2000 through 2008. I hold a PhD in Applied Linguistics and have lectured at Oxford’s University on the English language for roughly a year. I now teach English as a foreign/second language on a contract basis. As to the best of my knowledge, Canterbury University is a nationally (by the Department of Education UK) and internationally (by several European and American regional and national accrediting bodies accepted by the individual Departments of Education; and public and private programme accreditation bodies) accredited, and accepted renowned university. It still had a campus when I was there. I have never had any hassles in regard to background checks, Kroll checks – even Oxford’s University accepted my credentials without question. As to the allegations as to the institution being a “diploma mill” or being accredited by “accreditation mills”, I am flabbergasted! There might be a counterfeit or a diploma mill registered under a similar name (though I doubt, as UK legislation regarding educational institutions are merciless in scrutiny – and any such practise is illegal in accordance to UK law and the Department of Education anyhow). I studied using their online programme and via postal correspondence. I wrote my tests and exams on campus though. My thesis was published and can be obtained at the university.

Canterbury University is located by physical address thusly:

193 Market Street,
Hyde,
Cheshire.

Postal Address:

Canterbury University
193 Market Street
Hyde
SK14 1HF
Cheshire
UK

Web: www.canterburyuni.uk (I think this has recently changed to www.canterburyuniversity.com I not sure)

Telephone: + 44 709 237 8595
Facsimile: + 44 709 237 8597

Hope that answers your questions,

Regards,

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UK universities & similar typically have a .ac.uk domain

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B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore

Shill alert! Shill alert!

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What a load of crap...
These crooks want you to believe apostilles (what the Hague convention is all about) are equivalent to accreditation...
Again, apostilles only certify that X is a genuine and integral copy of Y and nothing else.
Apostilles only certify that X is a copy of genuine Y issued by Stantfort University, perhaps a Panama IBC.
Whether or not Stantfort University satisfies the requirements of any given law, body, university or code of conduct is left unsaid.
Apostilles are typically used by degree mills to lend credibility to their business.
Apostilles are more used in business than in education.
I have been into many overseas credit transfer procedures; all required sworn, approved translations and some even a declaration from the diplomatic authority in the issuing country stating that school X was accredited there and compared to the recipient country's standard...none ever required or mentioned apostilles.

A notary only sees that a copy of document X is a perfect reproduction of document X. The notary doesn't care whether the school/degree mentioned on the parchment is or is not legitimate or accredited according to any particular law or in a particular jurisdiction, which is what an employer is interested in.
The apostille item is fraudulently marketed towards unsuspecting buyers as a proof of accreditation or the like...it is not.
At best it represents a proof that a $300 IBC has been registered in Belize bearing the name STANDFORT UNIVERSITY, and the renewal of incorporation has been paid.

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B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore

Scam-a-roni!!!!

I am concerned that far too many people seem to be concerned with this and I'm wondering especially what the motivation is of many people on both sides of this problem. I got my MBA from Canterbury University in 2000 and I did do work. Now I admit I did a lot less than I thought I would have to but as I had just finished earning 21 credit hours at the University of Phoenix in an MBA program (carrying a 3.58 GPA) and I did most of the functions of any MBA manager at work on a daily basis so I accepted what they prescribed as my degree completion program with little hesitation. I sent most of my work through the mail to the Market Street address and I also did some electronic communication with them especially near the end. When I graduated in June of 2000 I got my diploma, a copy of my transcript and a package of information from them that I put away and never really read all that well. and quite frankly was very happy with the entire process. Four (4) years later this whole controversy sprang up about the school or at least appeared to me but until then no one had questioned my degree and I had never really questioned my credentials as I KNEW and let me repeat that KNEW my school was neither accredited in the US or by the Ministry of Education in the UK but I thought it was in compliance with British law. I knew about self accreditation and I put no stock in the so called accreditation from the listed United Congress of Colleges Accreditation but again I thought my degree was comparable to many unaccredited business schools here in the US and there are many, many of these schools and colleges that graduate very skilled and well trained students. As for the accreditation I figured they were trying as so many schools back then were to give stature to their programs so I kind of overlooked this item.

I then decided to go back and get a professional doctorate degree (DBA) but I had moved several times and lost most of the graduation package I received and only had my degree and a rather tattered and torn copy of my transcript so I sent off to the address I had to get a new copy of my transcript and to contact the University. Much to my surprise after 6 weeks I had received no information so I sent another letter that to my surprise eventually was returned to me as undeliverable because there was no one to sign for it. The Market Street address I was told was a mail drop and not an office. This prompted me to do some research where I finally came upon the Seychelles update and this forum awhile ago. I have watched intently as this seems to be a battle between advertisers, scam artists, know it alls and busy bodies. The truth is that "Canterbury University" the one associated with the Market Street address has moved to the Seychelles by all accounts and is now selling degrees. My degree, even though I worked for it, is tainted by the entire mess they created themselves. As a graduate of this institution from a time when they at least tried to teach and conduct classes I am both saddened and frustrated that this has happened but even today they are still a legal entity in those Islands and whether you like it or not the degree is legal even if the authority that you are presenting it to does not recognize it for their purposes. This recognition has always been a matter of contention even long before now. Many Medical Schools in other countries have trained thousands of graduates that will never be recognized as doctors here in the US. This may be a slightly more meaningful recognition but it goes to illustrate my point. I'm glad that the US has standards for the practice of medicine, I might add but pure academics are another story. Unless you are presenting the degree for or as proof of some licensed skill I think no one should care. I worked for my degree but my school has become a diploma mill by all accounts, legal or not so what am I to do? Well I have entered another MBA program to validate my knowledge. It's HARD to go BACK and take the SAME classes ALMOST A DECADE AFTER PASSING THEM THE FIRST TIME, BUT SUCH IS LIFE. The degree is legal but it is not accepted. I would point out to all the zealots here that the OR ODA simply lists Canterbury University as an "F" or Foreign Institution and not as a diploma mill simply as unaccredited.

That said I have been unable to contact my school now for over a year and a half. I am unable to get a new copy of my transcript or provide anyone with a mailing address where they can request an official copy of my transcript. This to me stinks but what am I to do. I have had to recreate my transcript by digitizing and scanning it but it is not the same and is valid in only some instances. The web site I had is no longer functional and the new Web site I found has an address in Ireland and still no one responds to my inquiries even at this new place. So it appears I will have to live with my tainted degree and will definitely have to double prove my credentials with my new accredited degree and accept the fact that My CU degree is just a piece of paper albeit a very pretty piece of paper even though it is still a legal degree.

As for the rest of the posts here if this is not a problem for you why are you so concerned with it? Do you work for other diploma mills and are trying to drag CU down? The recent court victory in Fl only goes to show the legality of the degree. Republic of the Seychelles or not the US has no right to restrict foreign based education which is why I enrolled in the program in the first place. US institutions had gotten fat and lazy with internal bureaucracy and regulation until the last five years or so when the overwhelming need and push for on-line education and especially the monetary gains to be made, made many schools join the 21st or rather even the 20th century. Accreditation is neither a guarantee of academic standards nor is it mandatory in the US. The vast majority of smaller business schools who provide the bulk of the rank and file of workers in fact are not accredited. The accrediting process is long filled with bureaucratic nonsense and extremely costly which helps drive up the cost of education. Many of your nurses, Nurses Assistants, doctor's assistants, medical aids, phlebotomists, Xray techs, optical assistants, and a plethora of other semi-skilled and semi-professional workers got their training from unaccredited schools and or training programs so accreditation is again not a guarantee of standards or skills. How many football, basketball, or other sports players have degrees from accredited colleges and universities and can not put 10 words together into a real sentence or perform sometimes the simplest of functions. How many sub par graduates from so many walks of life do these academic bastions of accreditation turn out each year? Think about it!

My point is simple. If anyone should have a beef with CU it is me as I am a former student and graduate of the not so easy program. I worked my tail off to earn my degree. I now though possess a degree that often causes me more pain that it does joy. I thank everyone for the information they provided but let it go. Wikipedia now has an entry on the CU of the Seychelles that should answer anyone's questions about CU. Beyond this the only thing I have to add to the discussion in terms of facts is as far a I know if anyone tells you they went to a campus for CU post 2000 they must be talking about the legitimate Kent, Christ Church or New Zealand schools as CU of the Seychelles has not had a physical campus since moving there and it appears that all operations were moved to the Seychelles in a 2000 to 2001 time frame.

PS - I also hold several accredited and unaccredited religious degrees from both academic and religious or church based schools as well including a ThD and a PhD. I also hold a JD from an unaccredited law school in CA and have passed the bar there using the education I got in this program so I truly know. You only get out of anything what you put into it!

Guess what, at first sight it looks JARINGTN is another shill for this unwonderful school...but thinking carefully, he's right...
I have been driving without a driving license for 5 years...none ever bothered asking me for it...i am a great driver, too...therefore driving licenses are useless and a tool in the hands of the automobile cartel...
And I can understand what he means...
L.I.A.R, I.I.A.S and Millard Fillmore were great schools when I attended.
I.I.A.S boasted the best school canteen ever, and L.I.A.R the biggest sporting halls...too bad they later started to sell degrees, but when I was there, they were top-notch...Millard Fillmore had even applied to become accredited...

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B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore