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Don't be so shocked because the UK law came to be for protecting the good name of UK universities.
These who couldn't achieve recognition in UK by the privy council, Royal charter etc had no choice but to stop claiming they are UK university and stop awarding UK based degrees. As a result many had to open corporations in other areas. The Islands are very attractive for such entities because there is no regulation of higher education and all one needs is a business corporation and in charter of the business award it self a name of university and right to confer degrees. The problem is even if CU provides standard education there is no accreditation since they are not an UK university. Notorious degree mills such as Melen University claimed the vitality to UK as they are in some Turks and Caicos or other schools that moved to some small areas that may have Ministry of Education but such ministry usually handles rural development for elementary schools, high schools etc. Such department usually not accepted as equal to UK Department of Skills or other countries Ministry of Education. In 2000 many agencies in US still worked with non NACES evaluators and some of this evaluators would evaluated anything for payment and state its RA equivalent. Not so today, today NACES member selected agency are allowed. And the CU will fail to be evaluated or will be evaluated as unaccredited university. If they were legitimate UK university they would be in UK today but they are not. They had to use the known loop hole and register as foreign university with office in UK. If they want recognition they can apply to DETC or other recognized accreditor and get on a way to better recognition. By this act they will serve better the needs of their graduates. Last edited by Baraban : 10-24-2008 at 09:35 PM. |
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I believe changes in UK law created many problems for legitimate schools, many of them private. I don't know the detail but have seen the effect.
International Management Centres used to grant degrees. They were/are quite legitimate. With the removal of degree-granting authority they set up a parallel school in the US to grant academic degrees. This was the University of Action Learning later Revans University. I suspect the realignment in the UK had more to do with the old boys club than consumer protection. Many schools considered quite legit had to scramble to stay in operation and were diminished or failed. Just as the regional accreditors have fought innovation, only begrudgingly accepting change, so went the UK. |
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so many one-posts claiming it's legitimate...
how did you all detectives & alumni find this thread so soon? Smells of advertisement to me... |
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Noting is black or white but the British laws was to protect the UK properly accredited / recognized universities and the name / industry of UK academic establishments have to offer to the world.
I think a little bit of mediocre schools would have been tolerated without changing the law but when the proliferation of degree mills and not so wonderful schools took major expansion this became a problem on many levels, the old boys club included. I think damage was done to UK education reputation and the action taken was necessary to save it. AT the same time in US the laws began to tighten for the degree mill infestation. Only US is larger and have to deal not with one state but with more then 50 states. Hawaii took action, CA took action first canceling all the authorized then tighten the laws on the approved etc. When laws get harder to run diploma mills these laws usually harm and affect these schools that are in between, they are not fully accredited but they are not diploma mills. I don't agree with Dennis's statement - Just as the regional accreditors have fought innovation. The RA responsibly accepted innovation and yes protected their turf as well. Regional are not the only players DETC came along and gained respect and recognition. From accrediting vocational home correspondence schools to accrediting universities at B, M, D level and getting full recognition by states took time and action. I remember when accreditation discrimination was really hurting NA degree holders. But its not what it was a decade a go. |
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With all of the controversy occurring here perhaps you should ask the applicant yourself.
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Innovation has only been forced on the regionals as a result of competition. If the could have prevented distance programs from competing they would have. Then look to England with the U of London 150 years in the distance ed business. One method of stopping innovation is failing to recognize coursework at the non-regional accreditors and they have certainly done that. |
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SACS is the last to hold the front on methodology of learning in B&M Professor lead in classroom residential program preferably or DL by this professors allowing DETC and other NA accreditors to specialize and accredit DL schools and other Regional accredited non SACS schools su as UoP. Just like ABET won't accredit totally 100% DL BS degrees in Engineering. Wile CIE a DETC accredited school offers degrees AAS in Electronics, today Bachelors of Electronics Engineering Technology and sends you lab equipment or allows you to purchase your own lab equipment some 40 years now and earn fully 100% DL degree.
SACS in general has that view that compromise in educational process is taking place in fully DL settings. This is a free country and they as regulatory mechanism hold their ground. I may not agree with their philosophy but people do go then to NCA accredited programs. NCA appears to be accrediting and the most accepting when it comes to DL and real innovation among the 6 RA bodies. Lets not forget who causes the damage, its the low standard diploma mills that are pretending to be innovators. I was in the situation like this my self looking for innovative DL , when in my part of the country when I was growing up there was no DL Engineering or IT degree offerings. I in my yang age 18 wile serving in the military turned to UK and earned fully 100% DL qualification in Electronics Engineering and Membership in what was then The Institute of Engineers and Technicians (IET today) member of the council of the Engineering Institutions ( Engineering Council UK today). Upon completion of my service I was able to secure an advanced level Jr Engineer position with semi government major telecommunications company. Wile my fellow soldiers got a regular type of employment and some continued to first year of B&M college or university. Since then I relied on DL to continue my education from the West, as today as well. I have mixed B&M education and DL. So I see what and how innovation in education benefited me. In magazines such as popular electronics or practical electronics I learned about US DL degree programs as UK ones. If anything DL helped me to archive my goals in life and I'm advocate for the DL as long it is provided by fully recognized education provider so it serves the needs of graduates and the society in positive way and one is not a shame of his credentials or has to constantly defend them or may find him self in news articles or rejected as a result of their education provider legal problems and unrecognized status. I know one SACS accredited High School that is 100% DL on line its Continental Academy. Maybe its a beginning. Last edited by Baraban : 10-25-2008 at 07:18 PM. |
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Canterbury University was 100% Logitimate Institution when I graduated by correspondence in year of 2004. Although it's been 6 years since my graduation, Canterbury University remains one of the prestigious Study by Correspondance Universities. I don't see why anyone has difficulties finding it.
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Canterbury University in Hyde, Cheshire / www.instantdegrees.www / any links?
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I am deeply concerned that Canterbury University is being portrayed by some as a diploma mill. One such example is the (above) self-professing detective. Of course we don't know who he really is (or what his credentials are) but his "research" is seriously flawed.
My degrees were hard-won and I paid a lot and sweated a great deal tackling the online courses that Canterbury University offers. It is assertions that this is merely a diploma mill which can irreparably harm those of us who are in the job market. Canterbury University is accredited, it is legitimate, and I have the diplomas and transcripts to prove it, just as I have the diploma and transcripts from the college which I did my undergraduate work in. To say that Caterbury University is not a legitimate institution is to do us all a great disservice. |
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